From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #145 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 9 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 145 In this issue: eskrima: GM Conrad Manaois Seminar eskrima: Re: The Perfect Knife eskrima: Re: Knives: locks (and sticks) eskrima: In (possible) defense of Khalid eskrima: Re: pekiti tirsia in Europe? Re: eskrima: Re: Knives: locks (and sticks) eskrima: Re: re The Combat Continum eskrima: Multiple knives/weapons? eskrima: Multiple knives/weapons? eskrima: Re: Khalid Khan? eskrima: SCARS eskrima: Combat continuum eskrima: Going to Bosnia eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #144 eskrima: Re: ethics Re: eskrima: SCARS eskrima: Where to Find Lion Heart eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #144 (fwd) eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:51:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: GM Conrad Manaois Seminar Meowmix to all, For this April 1999, GM Manaois is conducting seminar in Long Beach,CA. When: Saturday, April 24th, 1999 Time: 12n- 4pm Place: CATSociety 3918 Atlantic Ave., Long Bech, CA. Cost: $30 pre-registration by 4/17/99 or $35 at the door Contact: Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Arniste@aol.com Don`t forget Suro Mike Inay Seminar in May 15,1999 See ya`ll soon ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 13:20:27 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: The Perfect Knife >From: "David W. Fulton" >Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 15:05:16 -0400 >Subject: eskrima: The Perfect Knife? >So, out of curiosity, I'd like to know what attributes >other list >members >(as FMA'ers) look for in a knife that they plan to >carry everyday for >defensive purposes and why. Sharpness - the edge has to be hair shaving sharp, or it won't effectively cut through heavy clothing. Strength - whether fixed or folding, if the blade breaks after glancing off of a belt buckle or body armor, or from the impact of a piece of pipe or chain, it ain't much good. The first thing I would do if facing one of todays popular folding knives with an improvised weapon is look for an opportunity to hit the knife on the blade top. The blade of a typical lock back or liner lock is gauranteed to fold. Fixed blades are generally much stronger than folders, but unfortunately come with legal baggage in most states. Grip - the handle has to offer a very secure, non-slip grip in all the grips you intend to use. There should be a guard, or some sort of index finger cutout, or just good general ergonomic design to keep your hand from sliding forward onto the blade on hard impact. Access - it should have a carry system, sheath, pocket-clip, etc., that makes it easy to get to in a hurry. A knife hidden in your boot ain't going to come into play unless you have a lot of advanced warning. That's it. It has to be strong, sharp, easy to draw and hold on to. From there, it's whatever works for you in your environment. The perfect knife has to be easy and convenient for you to carry, because it won't do you any good in a drawer. Steve Harvey Beginning Inayan Eskrima student Knife enthusiast Moderator - www.knifeforums.com General Knife Discussion Forum ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:41:42 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Knives: locks (and sticks) > From: Joe Talmadge > It was the larger model only, the 840. No one was able to get the mid- > or small-size to fail. Benchmade has since put in stiffer springs, so > newer versions should not fail. I've never actually liked the 840, > the ergonomics turned out really strange. The 830 and 820 fit my hand > better. Oooops. mea maxima culpa. Anyway, my comment on testing blades still stands. And, just so everybody knows, when Joe T. speaks on knife design and lock theory, listen. you'd be amazed what you learn. no BS. As for choices, i'd say the best choice is definitely a medium to large fixed blade in an approprite rig. However, legal, and social pressures being what they often are, sometimes folders are a necessary evil. I prefer lockbacks over liner locks, as the only time lockbacks have failed on me is when lint got stuck in the blade tang, not a very common thing, where liner locks sometimes disengage with only a tight grip, or moderate impact to the blade spine. Ray, i've heard of other people having problems unlocking lockbacks, though they seem to be the exception rather than the rule. Just out of curiousity, do you have pretty big, relatively thick hands? i have pretty large hands, but thin and bony, and i don't have the problem. Second subject, just to bring up a new topic: Does anybody ever actually carry sticks (besides ASP batons) as you would a knife, either singly, or in pairs? If you do, or if you would, what would you carry? I would think rattan is a bit forgiving, and that maybe someone would want something a little harder and with more weight. Maybe a Stickman stick? Bahi, or kamagong? close-node rattan? Typical oak, hickory, etc.? Also, any thoughts on size? A 30 inch stick is going to be bulkier and slower than a 24 or 21 inch stick in close-quarters, not to mention harder to conceal. Stay Sharp, Joe S. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:40:10 -0700 Subject: eskrima: In (possible) defense of Khalid >I have met and and witnessed him in action... >I fully endorse his Serrada teachings to any of my enemies. - Steve Klement >Yes, I know Khalid. I studied with him about 8 or 9 years ago for several >months when he lived in the Bay Area. He was a very nice guy and an >intermediate level eskrimador/serradador. - Ray Terry I'm waiting for a copy of his tape, which I hope to review. Currently it has been in PAL (European) format but he promises an NTSC to be ready within a week. Now, back when I knew him, I'd say that Ray's assessment would be pretty valid. Back then, Khalid hadn't practiced for very long, and was also recovering from back surgery. I know I've been less than glowing in my evaluations from back then. However, from what little I've seen online recently (clips and photos, plus direct email discussion of what we are doing with the art), I'd say that, like most of us, Khalid has improved with time and effort, and that's what I'm hoping the tape will show. Living and teaching in a volatile part of the world (Pakistan), I'm sure he's had plenty of direct feedback in tuning up his art. For instance, it's my impression that those boxing gloves are now gone in lock & block ... For perspective, how would most of us compare to where we were 8 years ago? I know I've changed; lost some conditioning, but more fluid and accurate now. I'm sure guys I met in the 80's like Tom Meadows or Steve Wolk would agree that they have improved since then. Same for the Dog Brothers; Marc Denny has written much online about his/their personal evolution in the arts. We'll see ... ***There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". *** ------------------------------ From: "Andrea Dean" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:12:48 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: pekiti tirsia in Europe? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BE8215.513674C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm italian and I really want to practice pekiti tirsia but I don't = know where to start learning. Can you please help me? Thanxx Andrea Dean=20 anddea@tin.it P.le Rosmini, 7 34143 Trieste=20 Italy - ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01BE8215.513674C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Yes, I guess I do have big hands. :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:12:38 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: re The Combat Continum >>>I turned down an offer to teach the Special Forces years ago because I cannot trust such groups to be self defense type of people.<<< John, as a former member of the Army's Special Forces I felt compelled to reply to your post. I do assume that by your reference to Special Forces you meant the Army's Special Forces, not some other unit. I ask this because the term Special Forces is commonly used erroneously to refer to all the different special operations units within the military. Anyway, what criteria or background investigations do you use to determine whether or not your students are worthy of your instruction? I'm a little confused here as to how you determined that these military individuals are not to be trusted with the knowledge that you have. You don't trust them to be self defense types, do you trust these individuals with the defense of your country? All special operations people within the military undergo various long and rigorous training that tends to weed out those individuals (most anyways, no selection program is perfect) that cannot hack it, are immature or don't show the intelligence and judgment skills required of special operations people. The members all possess at the minimum a secret security clearance and background investigations to check their criminal and civil records. They undergo semi annual urinalysis to ensure that the force is drug free. I'm not being sarcastic here but I will ask again, what criteria do you use for your civilian students? Oh, by the way what SF Group asked you to train them? Concerning the various posts on knives and empty hand defenses taught within the military, I will agree with a few of the posts. Training in these areas are given little or no priority. If you're at the point where all of your close air support, artillery, crew served weapons, perimeter defenses, primary individual weapons, secondary individual weapon have all failed or they are out of ammo, you are in a world of hurt. It is by necessity not choice that you are utilizing your knife, entrenching tool, or empty hand skills. And to whoever made the comment about ammo over knives, right on bro. I will choose 90 rounds of ammo for my M4 everytime over carrying a blade if I have to make that choice. Take care, Rob. ------------------------------ From: "Eric Van Skike" Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:31:49 PDT Subject: eskrima: Multiple knives/weapons? how legal is it to carry multiple knives? I know this will probably vary from city to city. But with a few of the things ive thought about carrying I always have to wonder on the "what if" I have to use them aspect. A smaller folder i could probably get away with but 5 or 6 other knives? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Eric Van Skike" Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:32:49 PDT Subject: eskrima: Multiple knives/weapons? how legal is it to carry multiple knives? I know this will probably vary from city to city. But with a few of the things ive thought about carrying I always have to wonder on the "what if" I have to use them aspect. A smaller folder i could probably get away with but 5 or 6 other knives? Thanks for your time. - -eric (if it helps I live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: szorn@webtv.net (STEVE ZORN) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:47:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Khalid Khan? According to Mark Wiley's book Khalid Khan was awarded the 13th Serrada diploma that was ever awarded. Not sure how accurate it is though. After some consideration I decided to order Khalid's video that he promoted on the News Group. Besides the fact that the video is done half in English and half in Khalid's native tongue I think the video is very good. He teaches all 3 of the counters to all 12 angles, Lock and Block, basic Sinawali, and some empty hand material. I am not sure that an average joe could learn very easily from this video due to the language barriers but I think that if a person were pretty familiar with the arts, specifically Serrada then they could pick it up pretty quickly. I am currently learning Serrada in the Inayan Eskrima System and the material that Khalid shows on his video is pretty much the same materal that I am being taught. I should point out that I am fairly new to the FMAs so this is not an expert's opinion. Hope this helps, Steve ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:39:04 -0700 Subject: eskrima: SCARS Has anyone heard of/seen/learned the SCARS system as advertised in many MA magazines by Mr. Jerry Peterson? Is it truly a novel concept or a distillation of worlds' MAs? Are the videos worth having? They are jolly expensive. In global terms, will SCARS system (taught to SEALS) defeat the "Spetznaz system"? Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:10:38 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Combat continuum Tom Gerace, I have seen this area referred to on the digest so I will throw my hat in the ring and offer some references and experiences: An excellent book to consult on performance under stress is written by a friend and fellow warrior Bruce Siddle "Sharpening the Warrior's Edge." Bruce is the executive director of P.P.C.T.Management Systems Inc.and has extensive experience in training the military spec ops community (including Delta, Seals, British SAS, etc...) Siddle advocates a training theory called the stimulus/response principle. What stimulus/response means is you match a specific technique with a specific type of resistance or attack. Using this training principle you can lower your reaction time. If you couple this principle with the concept of the vertical decision making process, i.e. Stimulus(attack) is met with Plan A. If Plan A fails you go to Plan B. If Plan B fails you go to Plan C, etc...you can improve your performance and reduce reaction time under stress because you don't pick from a large number of responses (reactions)that can lead to a phenomenon called hyper-vigilance (freezing)in combat. As survival stress drives the heartrate up above the 175bpm range (which can happen in an instant)your ability to do complex motor skills (movements such as driving a car which require you to synchronize different body parts a.k.a. serial or series motor skills)are thrown out the window. What the body can do and your military tatics should be built around are gross motor skills such as pulling or pushing movements utilizing the large muscle masses of the body. (Is this the reason why the Dog Brothers see the caveman so much in stick fights?) One thing that you can do to reduce your heartrate and improve your performance under stress is breath. Sounds simple but with as few as 3 deep breaths you can lower your heartrate to a point you can do complex motor skills for as long as 45 seconds. Check out Siddle's book available from Paladin Press. Incidentally Suro Inay developed the original "Spontaneous Knife Defense" course for Siddle a number of years ago. Another book I would recommend highly to all digest readers is Lt.Col.Dave Grossman's "On Killing." For the first time this book takes a look at what it takes to train soldiers / law enforcement to kill and how society is creating killers by the proliferation of violent TV, movies, video games and music to de-sensitize young people to violence. (Is this the reason why a 16 yr.old goes into his high school with a 30-30 rifle and starts whacking classmates and teachers?) The best thing I would recommend for preparing you for close combat is realistic training. The more you are subjected to the stressors of combat in training, read that realism, the more you will be prepared for the actual incident. In other words "the more you sweat in training the less you bleed in combat." Rex Applegate knew this in WW2 and with the use of Simunitions we are "re-discovering" the validity of the concept. Short of this, use visualization techniques to see yourself doing the tactics you've trained in a combat scenario. All the top athletes use visualization to reduce their stress during competition and improve their performance. These techniques have saved my bacon in over 500 S.W.A.T. tactical operations and have been well received by the SWAT officers I train. I apologize for being verbose. Stay low and watch your back, KD "Every drill is a bloodless battle and every battle a bloody drill" - Paul Whitesell PhD ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:28:23 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Going to Bosnia A Howl of Greeting to All: A few thoughts in for our member off to Bosnia in response to his questions: You're in a really challenging situation. It would help if your Commander in Chief had a coherent policy, did not have a history of cutting and running when things ceased being easy, did not have a reputation of "wagging the dog", and had personal political capital to invest. But you don't and things like this affect the situation into which you are being inserted-- a soldier's life is not an easy one. Good luck! Crafty ------------------------------ From: "David Eke" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:40:54 +1000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #144 >Knife fighting is a fairly glossed over topic for most conventional warfare troops >because of the tons of other skills that have to be covered. The saying goes Shoot, >Move and Communicate as the boiled down ideas. I definitely don't see Stab or sla= >sh in there as a primary topic of military training:) From experience bayonet training is still part of small arms training during basic. Whether statisically only 1% of battle casualties are caused by hand to hand fighting is irrelevant, it's the lowest common denominator. It's important because if you are not prepared (or hesitate) to kill the enemy by hand, bayonet or knife you'll do the same with a rifle at 100 metres. It's the down and dirty part of combat training and instructors are looking for a total commitment and aggressiveness that if they don't see, your position will be in jeopardy. A small except from 3RAR's history during the Korean war. There they faced heavily fortified Chinese positions across a no man’s land which ranged in width from 300 metres to 2 kilometres; the defensive postures of both sides recalled the style of fighting on the Western Front between 1916 and 1918. Both sides made frequent night raids to gain intell and I gather their were incidents of hand to hand combat. However small always better to be prepared. Another snipit (Outpost Eerie) The narrative of this action is based upon a thorough study, prepared in Korea by Major B. C.Mossman and Lt. Edgar Denton He grabbed his rifle and began firing into the advancing Chinese from a position in the communication trench. The enemy troops were very near the top. Godwin fired until his ammunition was gone, threw his rifle at the nearest Chinese and saw the butt hit him in the face, knocking him back down the hill. He then ducked into the bunker to look after the two wounded men and as he did so, noticed Corporal Brittian throwing BAR magazines at the approaching Chinese. Brittian was killed very soon afterward. David ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:50:06 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: ethics Among other things John Chow writes: >I channel their unhappiness, frustrations and aggression to martial arts activity with >proper guidance and direction in order to change their mind-set. Well some are familiar with the BN greeting, the following is an attempt on translating the Manyang greeting. I ask for strength, with pure thought, and sincere declaration, straight out of my heart, that I offer and hold it fast and will always emanate both with in as well as outside of the art. Kudos on John's thoughts above. This is all well and good and condone such thinking but water down the art?! No way, no how. Perhaps until there's some form of decent character assessment if at such time they seem reliably a decent and stable being then don't short change their ability to protect themselves, family, etc., by any means! No disrespect but I suspect you've never tasted real violence. Well, hopefully it's not in your "karma." Other blips: One time while I was in the Corps. training up at Pohakuloa (sp? P.T.A.) on the Big Island (Hawai'i) the Ghurka's were there, attached to the Army (US). They marched by once just after we humped back into base camp with their Kukri's showing prominently sheathed on their belts. I wondered out loud if one would show their Kukri to me and was twice talked out of it because of "you have to cut yourself" line. Maybe B.S, maybe not. I'm curious for trivia sake. But I suspect there's is probably an element of truth there along the lines of an affront when asking for someone else's weapon. What has Dr. Gyi. to say on this? Demo Dick and 17 blades don't the binder say fiction? Again possible elements of truth with lots of hot air. Well, winning hearts and minds ha! or at least good sales$ Weapons laws in Rhode Island (standard dislaimer applies check RI Code 11-47-42 for yourself and CYA - Consult your attorney) - Any blade over three inches from the handle to tip (Note: not length of cutting edge!) and you face possible $1000 fine and/or one year imprisonment and confiscation of said weapon. Also covers silettos and so-called "Kung-Fu" weapons ...so any spring mechanism or balisong is out, perhaps rattan too unless your making furniture ;) Most all commercial blades worth a damn are out but then makes Tom "the Whip" recommendation. BTW I haven't found anything in RI code on ASP, or for that matter golf clubs, ski poles ...again CYA (see disclaimer as above) and common sense apply. Regards, Travis P.S. The above reflects only my own opinions. ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: SCARS > Has anyone heard of/seen/learned the SCARS system as advertised in many MA > magazines by Mr. Jerry Peterson? Is it truly a novel concept or a > distillation of worlds' MAs? I've heard that it is essentially the syllabus for San Soo Kung-Fu, up to about green belt level. Not saying that is the case, just what I heard. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:13:13 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Where to Find Lion Heart X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <370CB8FF.4BA8@erols.com> Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:11:11 -0400 From: datu@erols.com Organization: Applied Combat Sciences X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kel620@aol Subject: LionHeart Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kelvin, We are Lion Heart, we now call the supply company "Datu". You can reach us at 1-800-879-4574 and we still carry: - - Authentic Imported Filipino Rattan Fighting Sticks in 3 Species and 4 different lengths. - - Special Fencing Masks For Full Contact Stick Fighting - - Hand carved rattan daggers - - Instructional Videos by numerous Filipino Masters filmed in the Philippines and the US. - - Videos of Real Full Contact Submission Stick Fighting and more, just call us or e-mail us your address for a flyer on our products. We also are one of the promoters for the WKC "World Kali Championships" being held this year at the Univerisity of Delaware in Newar DE on June the 19th & 20th. The Divisions inlcude: Solo Baston - Lt., Md. Hy. & Sh. Doble Baston - Lt., Md. Hy. & Sh Knife - Lt., Md. Hy. & Sh. Espada Y Daga - Lt., Md., Hy. & Sh. Dumpag (Vale Tudo) - Lt., Md. Hy. & Sh Long Stick - Lt., Md., Hy. & Sh. Mixed Weapons - Lt., Md., Hy. & Sh. All weight classes in each division also have Novice, Intermediate and Advanced Classes. For the Dumpag the Novice divisions will be with head gear, The Intermediate will be without Head Gear and in the Advacned Division we are allowing Head Butts! For info call 1-800-879-4574 Guro Allen J. Sachetti ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:30:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #144 (fwd) Sent to the wrong address. Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:20:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Mcconnell Subject: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #144 To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Modern Arnis of Ohio will host a seminar with GM. Remy Presas on Saturday,4-17-99 from 11:00-3:00 p.m. in Columbus, Ohio. Topics to be covered will include single stick, double stick, stick and knife, disarms, locks and throws. The cost will be 50. pre-paid and 60. at the door. For further info. just e-mail dmmhsmc@ohaflcio.org Thanks Daniel McConnell Modern Arnis of Ohio ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #145 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.