From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #146 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 9 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 146 In this issue: BOUNCE eskrima: Admin request (fwd) eskrima: Re: SCARS eskrima: SCARS eskrima: Re: Pekiti-Tirsia Europe eskrima: improving eskrima: Sarongs eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #145 eskrima: Re: Carrying Multiple Knives eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #139 eskrima: Re: Pekiti-Tirsia in Europe eskrima: Peterson/Scars vids eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Admin request (fwd) Forwarded message: Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Admin request From: Rocky Pasiwk Reply-To: rocpas@ameritech.net Subject: Re- Crafty's teaching Crafty Wrote: < Well if you are reading this, then you must subscribe to the digest, so than you know what he wrote, so why should I repeat it.> So that being said, I have to say that.............I agree with him 100%, WOW that's different A!! I have noticed that all to often people will get board with a tech / drill that I'm teaching and the sad part is they usually don't even have it down yet. It's hard to find that middle ground that you need, but I guess you just do what you can, you gotta be part teacher, part salesman, and part entertainer. Rocky P.S QUIT CORRECTING MY ENGLISH DAD!!!! I' gonna sneak in your house, slip your dog a micky, and shave him bald on one side!!, Scratch that, your dog's to cool looking, I'll shave you half bald:-)! ------------------------------ From: szorn@webtv.net (STEVE ZORN) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:55:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Re: SCARS SCARS is 100% pure Kung Fu San Soo. I have seen several of the video tapes, specifically the Hand-To-Weapons tapes and they are basically a joke. The Hand-To-Weapon material is not even close to the material taught in FMAs. Jerry has very poor body-mechanics and he also teaches some material from San Soo that I would consider to be very unsafe for practical application. As an example- in SCARS / San Soo when one hand is punching the other hand is "cocked" way back behind the hip. Thi is said to increase power and improve body-mechanics but the fact is that it leaves a person completely opened and exposed to a counter-attack. Jerry was a student of Master Bill Hulsey in Kung Fu San Soo yet he never openly tells the public about his background or his instructor. Maybe he is afraid of a little competition from the San Soo instructors. He has also never proven that his system is as effectivs as he claims it to be. He claims that it can beat ANY martial arts system yet he refuses to prove it to. Also, on his tapes he spends alot of time taking "cheap shots" at other "traditional" martial arts systems when in fact he is teaching a "traditional" martial arts system. In any case, DO NOT let the hype fool you. SCARS is not any better or more effective than most of the martial arts systems out there, in fact I think it is less effective than most. SCARS can not be learned in a short period of time like the ads claim and it is NOT undefeatable either. Jerry is one of the biggest conmen in he world of martial arts. Steve ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Black" Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:02:49 PDT Subject: eskrima: SCARS Mike - I have a copy of Jerry Peterson's "Hostile Control Systems", videos and book, based on the SCARS system. It contains some interesting reading on mindset and how your opponent will involuntarily react to being struck in certain places. The techniques contained are nothing I haven't seen before, and my years of experience are much less than many on this list. This 2 tape series was purchased about 1994. If it is the same video series, I think it is a lot of money for the knowledge contained. Kevin Black shillelagh2@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Michael Marlow Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 18:51:52 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: Pekiti-Tirsia Europe Andrea wrote: "Hi, I'm italian and I really want to practice pekiti tirsia but I don't = know where to start learning. Can you please help me? Thanxx Andrea Dean" Hi Andrea, Go to the European website at www.pekiti-tirsia.net and you will find out how to contact our Director Uli Weidle. Here in Europe we are very lucky because Grand Tuhon Leo T Gaje Jr is visiting us every year for seminars and intensive training of instructors and instructor-candidates. He will be at the head-office in Reutlingen (south Germany) in mid-May and then come to Sweden end of May. Uli Weidle also arranges seminars and intensive training for practioners living in areas where there are no instructors. Two good friends of mine from Norway, both of them instructors in other martial arts, trained with Uli last month for five days and they were very happy with the material he presented. Michael Marlow Pekiti-Tirsia Sweden ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:19:41 -0600 Subject: eskrima: improving somebody (Jeff, I believe) wrote: "I'm sure guys I met in the 80's like Tom Meadows or Steve Wolk would agree that they have improved since then." Frankly, I would be really embarrassed if I hadn't.....it could only mean that I didn't practice enough. Steve Wolk swolk@nexstar.com ------------------------------ From: Devin Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Sarongs Does anybody have any information on Traditional Sarongs? I've seen demonstrations of their use and such, but I'm curious as to their design. I understand that they are little more then large cylinders of fabric, but are their dimensions purely arbitrary, determined by local style, or just the result of how much fabric was on hand? Just curious. I've seen them on typically american sized individuals, and worn about the waist, they appear to hang from mid waist to just below the knees. The other night, Animal Planet did a show on Komodo Dragons, and the locals' sarongs appeared much larger (Due to height differences between malaysians and Americans?). Additionally, theirs were plaid. Any significance to this (no scottish jokes please)? Thanks, Devin mushien@yahoo.com === My Self first, then I'll conquer the others easily _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 15:15:28 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #145 > Subject: eskrima: Re: The Perfect Knife >So, out of curiosity, I'd like to know what attributes other list members > >(as FMA'ers) look for in a knife that they plan to carry everyday fordefensive purposes and why. Hello All, To my experience and research, there is no perfect fighting knife. The US Military has been looking for one for years and have not found it yet. For armed combat in war, a good quality Bowie Knife with a sharpened false edge would be good. You would have a double edge blade. You would have a simple handle so you can easily change your grip if you need to without fancy grooves etc... getting in your way. You must have a good handguard to keep your knife from getting cut while thrusting. The bowie is bigger than most military knives therefore giving you a reach advantage. Also, it is heavier to allow you to hack away at targets with quick snap cuts and do other things. Did you ever wonder why most of the old US Armed Forces standard issue knives look like a scaled down Bowie knife. The Bowie has been known as America's fighting knife. It was designed by Americans to be used as a combat knife. Indeed, many duels were fought with these in the old days. As a matter of fact, some states put out a "Bowie Knife Ban" (Like gun bans today) because men were killing each other with these things in duels of honor etc... For Bowie Knife history, read "Bowie Knife" by Raymond W. Thorp - interesting reading. Another good fighting knife would be the double edged Fairbairn Dagger. Once again we have a double edged blade, handguard and simple handle. Very nasty device. Of course, these two knives are not perfect but they have the basic attributes of a goodfighting knife. As for civilian self defense, I cannot really recommend too much since it is your state's law that limits what you can carry in a legal manner. I carry a solid steel Rigid 3 1/2" serrated edged lockblade and found that to be easy to open, sturdy and cuts through most anything. Perhaps the best thing one can do is buy a cheap $20.00 double edged boot knife shaped like the Fairbairn dagger for an effective throw away self defense knife. Some people wrap the handle with material that does not hold fingerprints. > From: > Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:12:38 EDT > Subject: eskrima: Re: re The Combat Continum > >It is by necessity not choice that you are utilizing your knife, entrenching tool, or empty hand skills. And to whoever made the comment about ammo over knives, right on bro. I will choose 90 rounds of ammo for my M4 everytime over carrying a blade if I have to make that choice. Take care, Rob. I read somewhere that the Chinese military did away with training their troops in unarmed combat skills because the advent of modern weapons (Ak-47's etc) neutralized the need for unarmed combat. Their philosophy is why spend months training a soldier in Gung Fu when you can train a soldier to shoot in 2 days. Therefore, spend most of your training money and time on firearms etc..... Very few people in war engage in unarmed combat by statisics. I guess this is the same philosophy that our armed forces take also. I do not think that our soldiers practice with bayonets now days like our fathers did in the army. Maybe they should. Reason is that I saw one episode of the CBS 13 hour Television History of the Vietnam War. One former North Vietnamese Officer claimed to have bayoneted three US GI's in Close Quarters Fighting. He claimed that the US soldiers carried too much equipment and were too clumsy for jungle fighting. how legal is it to carry multiple knives? I know this will probably > vary from city to city. But with a few of the things ive thought > about carrying I always have to wonder on the "what if" I have to use > them aspect. A smaller folder i could probably get away with but 5 or > 6 other knives? This is an interesting question. Check your state Laws but I carry two of the same - both legal. 6 knives? Wow Butch ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Carrying Multiple Knives Erik Van Skike wrote: << how legal is it to carry multiple knives? I know this will probably vary from city to city. But with a few of the things ive thought about carrying I always have to wonder on the "what if" I have to use them aspect. A smaller folder i could probably get away with but 5 or 6 other knives? >> Well, for me (and most people I train with) there are 2 primary reasons for carrying multiple knives. First, it gives you something to throw but doesn't leave you weaponless. Second, if the blades are situated properly and you've had enough practice/experience at drawing them, then you'll be able to pull a knife from virtually any position. In the first scenario, the knife you throw will usually be a cheap one that you won't mind losing ... and therefore, it can be a completely legal one (i.e.: a small pocket knife or maybe a plain-edged Delica). I personally don't carry a second knife to throw because I doubt I would have the time to pull it, open it, and throw it, and I know I don't have the skill/ability to stick it reliably (I haven't really practiced throwing knives in about 10 years). Consequently, for me, I'll throw a handful of change or something similar just as a distraction so I can pull my knife. In the second scenario of multiple knives, you'll usually only pull one knife ... no one ever needs to know you've got more on you than that. If you survive the encounter, you'll (hopefully) have enough time to get rid of the extra knives (maybe toss them in your trunk or something). I don't know if it would cause a problem to be caught with multiple knives or not. I would think that, so long as all the blades were legal to be carried in the manner you're carrying them, then there wouldn't be a problem. Of course, I'm not a legal expert, so I could be wrong in this. However, as I said before, if you only pull one, then no one ever needs to know about the others. You know, I just helped a buddy move and he's a weightlifter, consequently, I just handled over a ton of weights (there were 4 of us and we did a line type from the basement up to the truck) ... consequently, I'm what you might call tired (my understatement of the day) and so may not be thinking completely clearly. If something in this post is way off base, then let me know, but be gentle for I'm not sure I know what I'm typing much less what I'm trying to say :-) Mike === Mike Casto Assistant Instructor Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali/ 5099 Springboro Pike Indonesian Pentjak Silat Dayton, OH 45439 Phone: (937) 293-5520 URL: http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 20:06:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #139 First reply since I've joined. Just enjoying the view. I'd like to reply to a post on V6#139 re: FMA Videos A suggestion to our movie critic! It appears you know the videos on Kali Ilustrisimo and some of the terminology. Whether you've actually trained in the Ilustrisimo System is another question. Obviously, you don't know much about Master Tony Diego or Master Christopher "Topher" Ricketts. If you did, you would be more concious of how you described their performance. The video series was simply a means for FMA enthusiasts to see the other "Warrior Arts from the Philippines". They were not produced as instructional videos but moreso demonstrative. You don't have to look impressive if the art or style you study is as EFFECTIVE as the late GM Antonio "Tatang" Ilustrisimo's method of Kali. But rest assure MASTERS' Tony and Topher are two of the top FMA instructors IN and out of the Philippines. A word of advice...you should show a bit more respect when referring to individuals especially those who are recognized as TRUE MASTERS of their respective arts. Yous in the Arts, John G. Jacobo BAKBAKAN North American Director ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:41:04 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Pekiti-Tirsia in Europe Andrea asked about Pekiti-Tirsia training in Europe. I will be giving three Pekiti-Tirsia seminars in Europe in the next two weeks. April 17th & 18th HANNOVER, GERMANY Hand vs. Knife, Knife vs. Knife (Icepick grip vs. Hammer grip). Contact - Oliver Nickels through the Kenpokan web site at: WWW.kenpokan.de Tel:49-511-371-255 Fax:49-511-371-335 April 19th BRAUNSCHWEIG, GERMANY Introductory overview of Hand vs. Knife, Basic Knife, Single Stick Subsystem Contact - Bernd Geller at: PTBERND@AOL.COM April 24th & 25th HELSINKI, FINLAND Solo Baston Abcedario (144 basic stick strikes) & Abcedario De Mano (144 basic hand strikes). Contact - Kristo Aaltonen at: kristoaaltonen@netpool.net For information on the techniques listed above as well as general PT information and to find links to other PT related websites please visit the Pekiti-Tirsia International web site at: WWW.PEKITI-TIRSIA.COM Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:12:14 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Peterson/Scars vids Yip: Re the Jerry Peterson vids: Try www.altinnet.net/~karate/scars2.htm for a review thereof. Its quite scathing. Crafty ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 19:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #146 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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