From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #150 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 12 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 150 In this issue: eskrima: April Sequence & Advertisement eskrima: John Chow's assessment eskrima: Ultimate throw away knife eskrima: Looking or Seeing? eskrima: stick carry eskrima: it's all sales eskrima: Teaching Special Forces eskrima: Guro Dan Inosanto Seminar eskrima: Matrix Martial Arts / Movie Martial Arts eskrima: A couple of Q's eskrima: Re: Khalid Khan? eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:46:14 -0700 Subject: eskrima: April Sequence & Advertisement A Howl of Greeting to All: The April sequence is up. ADVERTISEMENT: Those of you who have been following our monthly technique sequences may recognize this one-- it was first posted about 20 months ago. New technique sequences are for the Dog Brothers Martial Arts Ass'n (DBMAA) website. Woof, Guro Crafty ------------------------------ From: John Frankl Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: John Chow's assessment Thanks to John Chow for his evenhanded assessment of the Kali Illustrisimo video issue. Maybe this will clear things up before Ray has to step in. John Frankl ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:46:21 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Ultimate throw away knife Since this subject has been up lately ... Sometime ago I wrote about a set of knives I bought from a late night tv promo for $30. 8 different kitchen knives, two of which are now my favorite kitchen tools, and 6 steak knives. All stainless steel with Spyderco serrated edges and big molded plastic handles that you can really hold on to. Each knife came with a black cardboard "sheath" protecting the blade. The slim lines of this sheath, and the black handles, make the 6 steak knives (the best with which I've eaten) a real easy throw away blade to slide under a belt. Sharp point, excellent cutting edge, small but not too flimsy, a great grip and concealability! (Hey, it's made for cutting meat, not dueling or whittling wood). So why are you carrying? Not to fence, I'd wager.) Fixed blade practicality (fast draw, and solid tang= no foldbacks). Each one costs about $1 ... If you want stronger, there are a couple of small kitchen utility knives in the set, about the same length but sturdier. What I like is getting some of the best kitchenware I've tried, cheap and worth the price, but all the extra stuff to play with. Like their closed-grip hacksaw for frozen meat .... ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:17:03 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Looking or Seeing? >>(2) Kali illustrisimo, being a >>fighting art, does not look impressive to those used to seeing people >>whipping around pencil-thin rattan and aluminum blades. > >Who exactly? Just so my old buddy JF (as in John Frankl) doesn't just take all the heat alone on this, I'll pass along some impressions from Serradaland. Serrada teaches to keep tight, be direct. Movements should be short and quick, so it's hard to see to the untrained eye. There's lots of stuff that is bigger and flashier looking (not saying less effective, we're just subjectively discussing visual impact, ok?). As I've written here before, I've had experts miss what I was doing right in front of them, only to have my opponent ask how I was doing it (clue: Cebu, '89). Now from talking to lots of folks, and that means this list, too, it seems that the really combative arts (as opposed to sporting etc.) tend to have certain common denominators. Compact defensively, so as to minimize risks. Direct and efficient. True for Kenpo, FMA, BJJ, etc. Yes? Anyway, the main point of this is that sublety lies in the details. We all have armbars. Is Serrada's different from Aikido, and that from BJJ, etc? An expert might tell you, but most people cannot. If Kali Illustrisimo doesn't catch someone's eye, it could be that the person is not prepared to see what is there. It happens all the time; it's life, bro. If you are sufficiently knowledgeable to understand what you see, you are one of the privileged, which is also why you/me/we are all together here on this digest. We share knowledge, impressions, myth and OpiniOn. I think John is quite respectful of the skill and knowledge of Kali Illustrisimo, just commenting on how it could be perceived from one video. Life's best moments rarely cooperate for the camera (hmm, maybe I should trademark that line ... OK, just quote me :) Final footnote: one of the biggest compliments I ever got was after getting worked out in Stockton, when some bystanders said I made it look easy! Hah! ..... "Life's best moments rarely cooperate for the camera" - Jeff Finder Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:32:28 -0700 Subject: eskrima: stick carry >If you do, or if you would, what would you carry? I would >think rattan is a bit forgiving, and that maybe someone would want >something a little harder and with more weight. Maybe a Stickman stick? >Also, any thoughts on size? A 30 inch stick is going to be bulkier and >slower than a 24 or 21 inch stick in close-quarters, not to mention >harder to conceal. Several options. Short Serrada sticks are easier to conceal. The concept is that it can go under your jacket, in your sleeve, etc. If you don't train with a short weapon, it might feel awkward if you need it. Different timing. Second, hide it in the open. A walking stick is a good one. I make 36" straight canes (no bend or head); like a short staff. You can take this anywhere. Again, if you carry it, better practice with it. Also in plain sight: A flute (I make them). Improvise: Common household stuff with a cover story. Dog leash; you don't need a dog ... "My toys! My toys! I can't do this job without my toys!" ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:39:48 -0700 Subject: eskrima: it's all sales >how legal is it to carry multiple knives? I know this will probably >vary from city to city. But with a few of the things ive thought >about carrying I always have to wonder on the "what if" I have to use >them aspect. A smaller folder i could probably get away with but 5 or >6 other knives? Get your cover story down and practice, practice, practice. The folder is for whittling wood. The serrated spyderco is for recycling cardboard. The steak knife is for eating at Denny's since you don't like most restaurant silverware. If you're kosher, you get a 2-1 on this; a meat knife and a non-meat knife. The boot knife it to remind yourself to clean the toenail fungus, the antique straight edged razor is for shaving ... Jeff "Stickman" Finder stickman@autobahn.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 16:33:06 EDT Subject: eskrima: Teaching Special Forces The thread has been interesting. Being former 82nd Airborne and 2nd ID scout sniper, not hard to figure out what side I'm on. However, I understand some peoples objection to teaching whom they think to be "killers." I recommend the book "In Search of the Warrior Spirit" by Richard Strozzi Heckler. He's an Aikido instructor who held some of the same views. This book is about his experiances teaching a group of Army Special Forces. Guess what? They all learned something..... The SF guys, and the more pacifist teachers. It's a decent look into this topic. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:21:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Guro Dan Inosanto Seminar In a message dated 4/12/99 11:13:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hello, Does anyone know of any seminars or demos coming up in the Southern Calfornia area? Thanks, SDR >> Wednesday, April 14th, 1999 Guro Dan Inosanto JKD seminar in Orange County. 629 Terminal Way, Suite 17 Costa Mesa, CA (949) 548-0636 ------------------------------ From: Joey Gil Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:07:43 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Matrix Martial Arts / Movie Martial Arts Gotta agree. It was very choreographed looking. Very stylized, but I suppose it fit well with the rest of the movie. You can have actual hits missing (like in a real fight), when you also have them running up walls while shooting/kicking! I think one of the most real looking fight scenes I've seen on the movies would be in Grose Point Blank between Benny and John Cusack. It didn't appear choreographed, there were combos, trapping, strikes that missed...etc. I also liked the Filipino knife work in Under Seige... of course it looked even better before I knew anything about knife fighting. ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 04:20:24 +0100 Subject: eskrima: A couple of Q's Mr. Stickman wrote: >There was a stabbing near my house Saturday night. I live >around the corner from a Veterans Hall that rents out for Good reporting Stickman! A couple of questions, please: 1. Had you grabbed one of your sticks on the way out, and encountered a fight/robbery/whatever in progress, would it be legal to use it to come to the aid of the victim? 2. In this case, which weapon would you have chosen? tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: " Bad Karma " Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:33:20 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Khalid Khan? > He teaches all 3 of the counters to all 12 angles, > Lock and Block, basic Sinawali, and some empty hand > material. *All* 3 of the the counters? Hmm. Okay. > I am currently learning Serrada in the Inayan Eskrima > System and the material that Khalid shows on his > video is pretty much the same materal that I am being > taught. Ray, would you concur with this assessment? That this is substantially the same as Inayan Eskrima? - --- Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -- John Kenneth Galbraith - -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #150 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.