From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #164 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 19 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 164 In this issue: eskrima: knife wounds Re: eskrima: I don't get it!! eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #163 eskrima: Rocky ,Danny ,and whomever eskrima: Hidden Techniques eskrima: Neil's comments to Rocky eskrima: Man you are to smart for me!! eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:55:17 -0500 Subject: eskrima: knife wounds I wrote: > and only around 1-2% of knife wounds to the overall die. Apologies; this should have read "only around 1-2% of victims presenting to the ER with knife wounds to the chest die" Jay ------------------------------ From: Terry Tippie Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:48:43 -0700 Subject: Re: eskrima: I don't get it!! >------------------------------ > >From: Rocky Pasiwk >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 00:08:31 -0700 >Subject: eskrima: I don't get it!! > >Neil (Numb nuts) Wrote: > >> First I agree with Ray. Second I think everyone has the right to speak >> their mind unless what is on their mind is yelling "fire" in a crowded >> theatre. that aside. I was wondering if Rocky is a personal friend of Guro >> Dan. Was he given special permision to refer to him as "Danny." As I >> understand it he prefers Guro Dan from his students. Since Rocky isn't one >> of those, maybe Mr. Inosanto would be more proper or Dan. I know there are >> many references to him in the past as Danny but he tries to make him less by >> using very familiar and maybe immature version of his surname. >> >> I am sure that in different times even that would be cause for a challenge. >> Rocky, do you tolerate people demeaning the people you respect? do you >> repect others? >> >> I don't mean to reignite this issue, but maybe Rocky-doodle (the best I >> could come up with) should just take about technique for a while. >> >> Neil > >I don't get it, now I am being disrespectful, because I call him Danny, >someone correct me is his name not Danny?? Several years ago I had the same question: what is the appropriate way to refer to Dan Inosanto. At the time I asked Mrs. Inosanto because Guro Dan was teaching and I felt kinda silly asking the question in front of 30 students. This is what she told me: address him as "Guro Dan" during FMA and/or Silat classes, address him as "Sifu Dan" during Jun Fan classes, and address him as "Ajarn Dan" during Muay Thai classes. I asked, outside of class? She paused and said that it is a judgement call but that most of his students addressed him as one of the above outside of class. The default address for Guro Dan seems to have changed over time, especially since the Torrance Academy days when Guro Dan's first books came out. It never bothered me to go with the changing times, especially since I think that he has earned such a courtesy. I did notice however that over the years that some people persisted in using the use of "Danny". This falls into two categories: 1) Older martial artists and/or masters who still think of Dan Inosanto as their peer or even student. I have always seen the Inosanto clan folks cut these guys slack, especially if the tone of the conversation is friendly. 2) People who have an indirect relationship with Guro Dan, such as people who have read his books. It is anybody's guess what their intentions are, but you can note how they are received by the subtle, yet perceptible reactions, from the people around Guro Dan. Usually, they provoke a disapproving look from or between several of the seniors and Simo Paula. If you watch carefully, you can pick up the same cues from Guro Dan, but he is harder to read. Guro Dan is too softspoken and mild-mannered to correct a stranger directly, and his students frequently follow the same example. So, usually nothing is said. If manners can be defined as "the ability to put people at ease" it is a small effort to offer people the courtesy and respect that they have earned. This applies to Guro Dan as much as it applies to any martial artist, be it grandmaster, master, teacher or just plain student. Respectfully, Terry Tippie Pacifica, California ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:00:29 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #163 > >Herr John Frankl wrote: > >"Espinosa's a Negro from the Island of Cebu, with a honey of a left jab. >He shoots his left straight out, and snaps it back the instant it lands. >Swish, swish--you can't imagine how fast he snaps back that arm! To which tenrec replied... > >Yes I there is a boxer by that name, but I wouldn't call him a negro... > To which I chuck my $0.02 in... He didn't, JF was quoting from a passage in a book >>>> This is excerpted from a Tanizaki (Junichiro) novel titled, "Diary of a Mad Old Man." <<<< NOTE : I DONT want to get involved in another thread like the one concerning the name of Crafty's dog, just being my usual pedantic self 8-) - Jon... ------------------------------ From: "tim hartman" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:15:46 PDT Subject: eskrima: Rocky ,Danny ,and whomever Greeting to the digest, I would like to ad my 2 cents in to some of this talk about the Rock,Rocky ,or if you would the Rock Daddy.I have known him for over 15 years.I have found him to be out spoken to say the least! He has his own opinion on things and he is not afraid to tell the world. I have seen many posts by this man and have had long face to face meetings with him.Even though I don't agree with what he feels all of the time he has always respected my right to my own opinion. I don't feel that he is being disrespectful by referring to Guro I as Danny.When was the last time one of us refer to the President by just using his last name Clinton! I feel that some of the members of this list are a little over sensitive and should look before you leap(that includes you Rocky). It seems to me that if some of the members of this post would spend more time training and less time crying on the digest worrying about what everyone is saying we would have less problems on this list. It is easy to hide behind a computer and call people names,how many are brave enough to say it to someone's face,I know the Rock is(I'm sorry that is Mr Rock). Maybe we should all rethink about what is appropriate for communication both on and off the Digest. PS I was also at that breakfast with Remy and Ted and Rocky did address them by there God given names. Yours Truly, Punong-Guro Timothy J.Hartman or Mr Hartman or Tim E-mail wnyima@hotmail.com School site www.wmarnis.com/school/ Federation site www.wmarnis.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Brian Henderson" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:25:13 PDT Subject: eskrima: Hidden Techniques Sorry this post did not come out during the time of discussion. I was having email problems. Hope it is still applicable. In regards to the thread “Hidden Techniques” which is hidden in the Serrada thread, may I offer observations in my training outside of your wonderful and effective system of Serrada. I was trained by Sifu Jay Cabauatan, a gifted teacher with over 25 years of experience in Escrima, Kuntao and Kenpo. Years ago when I first started training, (One on One), I was taught a series of close range techniques, (the basic angels, counters, and disarms, and applications in the various ranges), and told to go home and practice them. Every week I would return and have Sifu Jay examined my progress with comments such as: o.k., good, that’s a little weak, etc. etc... One day, several years into my training, he informed me that he would no longer be teaching me any new material, but rather would from then on, help me teach my self. He said I needed to open my mind to the possibilities that were before me in the basic material and footwork. He said that from that point on, he would become my guide in finding the “hidden possibilities” to what I had already learned. My point is, that from that day on my entire training had changed drastically. I no longer was practicing “his” art, but “my” art. Don’t get me wrong, the basis of my art and the very foundation is still, and always will be the “Cabauatan Method of Escrima”, but I had grown, and so did my interpretation of Sifu Jay’s System. And the coolest thing about my training is that he molded me to reach this conclusion. His favorite saying, during all of our years of training together was, “There are no musts, only possibilities!” Were there hidden techniques? You bet! Did my teacher expect me to find them? I know he would have been greatly disappointed if I hadn’t! May God Richly Bless You All, Sifu Brian T. Henderson Bthondo@ix.netcom.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Jerome Barber" Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:37:29 EST Subject: eskrima: Neil's comments to Rocky > ------------------------------ > > From: "Cohen, Neil" > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 15:13:34 -0400 > Subject: eskrima: Rocky-Doodle's Comments > > First I agree with Ray. Second I think everyone has the right to speak > their mind unless what is on their mind is yelling "fire" in a crowded > theatre. that aside. I was wondering if Rocky is a personal friend of > Guro Dan. Was he given special permision to refer to him as "Danny." Neil, you are so far off base that you will be picked off by first good pick-off throw. In the context of the narrative that Rocky was relating, the use of the name "Danny" is both appropriate and respectful. Second point. You missed the major premise of his narrative entirely. He was discussing a factual event and a question of attitude/respect. That is the situation that needs to be clarified. Third point. When you have as much time in the craft as Rocky you will understand where his feelings with regard to respect and fairness are coming from. There is a tendency for some to place senior instructors/grandmasters/master on pedastal. You are apparently doing that and I would strongly suggest that Dan Inosanto would not be entirely comfortable with that position. I have been to a couple of his seminars and i have talked with others who have been to seminars that i did not attend... the comments from Rocky about how he was treated as a known student of Remy Presas' is fairly consistant with what I saw and some others experienced. With all of the above said, I would suggest that you concentrate on your FMAs studies and remember to place the comments that some posts within the context of the narrative or review. With all Due Respect, Dr. Barber As > I understand it he prefers Guro Dan from his students. Since Rocky isn't > one of those, maybe Mr. Inosanto would be more proper or Dan. I know > there are many references to him in the past as Danny but he tries to make > him less by using very familiar and maybe immature version of his surname. > > I am sure that in different times even that would be cause for a > challenge. Rocky, do you tolerate people demeaning the people you respect? > do you repect others? > > I don't mean to reignite this issue, but maybe Rocky-doodle (the best I > could come up with) should just take about technique for a while. > > Neil > > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:34:33 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Man you are to smart for me!! Man you are better than Crafty, you are the all knowing oracle of wisdom!! What the F$%K do you JKD'ers want me to call DANNY if it makes your tail wag to call him Guru Dan I will, now you are saying that I said GM Gaji and only Danny to offend people, actually isn't GT Gaji more the term, I tell you what I' ll refer to him as the grand sultan, all knowing oracle of wisdom, how's that make you feel , all warm and fuzzy all over!!! And since you are so damn smart and know what I am thinking why are are you wasting your time, even training, you obviously know what every one thinks, so why train, you know who's going to do what before they do it. You should open a psychic hot line. I will say no more about GURU, MR. GM, GT, MASTER, MANONG, TUHON, PENDIKAR, SENSI, SIFU, BABUM NIM, DAN, DANNY INOSANTO. Ok. he's all yours enjoy!!! Christ if your not in line to kiss his ass 24 - 7 then you can't even pay him a complimet, without, one of you guys losing a nut. P.S Quick what color am I thinking about??? Rocky ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #164 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.