From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #166 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 20 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 166 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #164 eskrima: Inosanto in Vancouver Canada eskrima: De Cadena Arnis and Pinoy Boxing ? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #165 eskrima: New web site Re: eskrima: New web site Re: eskrima: De Cadena Arnis and Pinoy Boxing ? eskrima: Knife Fight eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S." Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:54:27 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #164 > > Several years ago I had the same question: what is the appropriate way to > refer to Dan Inosanto. At the time I asked Mrs. Inosanto because Guro Dan > was teaching and I felt kinda silly asking the question in front of 30 > students. This is what she told me: address him as "Guro Dan" during FMA > and/or Silat classes, address him as "Sifu Dan" during Jun Fan classes, and > address him as "Ajarn Dan" during Muay Thai classes. Terry, If you want to get a chuckle call him "Mr. I." When he was out P.E. coach at MalagaCove elementary school that's what we called him. Rarely I slip and call him that. Interestingly, most of us Chinese guys called him Sifu. The Filipinos...Guro and anyone else whatever they were introduced as. But your rules basically are the right ones. Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Loki Jorgenson Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Inosanto in Vancouver Canada Guro Dan Inosanto May 15/16 1999 Vancouver, BC, Canada Kali - Silat - Shooto - Jun Fan/JKD see http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/~loki/Kali/fma_news/inosanto99.html or send e-mail to loki@cecm.sfu.ca for details - -- Loki Jorgenson < MANOyBASTON Martial Arts > loki@pekiti-tirsia.org (604) 254-0240 www.pekiti-tirsia.org/ManoBaston/ ------------------------------ From: Kristo Aaltonen Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:23:06 +0200 Subject: eskrima: De Cadena Arnis and Pinoy Boxing ? Some ten years ago I had a change to train in a system called De Cadena Arnis. It was though to me by Sifu Dennis Decker who learned from Grand Master Remy Pressas. Unfortunately I lost contact with Sifu Decker and haven't been able to contact him since (=B487). In all this time I haven't heard anything about De Cadena Arnis or = Grand Master Pressas involvement in De Cadena Arnis. I heard about Mr. = Pressas other styles , his fighting abilities and about the work hi has done to the art's but never about De Cadena Arnis. Is there any list members out there that can solve "the mystery of De Cadena Arnis" ? Can anybody help me to get in touch with Sifu Dennis Decker ? another question. From time to time in the list there are postings about Pinoy Boxing. What is Pinoy boxing ? How does it differates from regular western boxing ? I've seen the term Pinoy also used with Kali, Arnis and Escrima ????? sincerely Kristo Aaltonen ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:33:03 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #165 In a message dated 4/20/99 12:34:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Ed Lam Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 17:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Titles Hello, Why is everyone so hung up about titles? We live in a generally casual society. I call my boss, a VP, by his first name. I call the CEO of my company by his first name. The people who work for me address me by my first name. I call my customers by their first names. What's the big deal about calling a teacher of our HOBBY by his first name? Yes, MA is more than a hobby, it's a lifestyle, blah, blah. Seriously though, I think some of us are a little overly defensive here. Ed IMHO, The fact we live in such a casual society makes it even more important that we show respect to our instructors & seniors. the highest calling for a martial artist is to conduct himself as a warrior, & that means that he is both above & outside "casual society". Furthermore, when you undergo MA training, the Guro, Sifu, etc, is not just showing you techniques, he is giving you a part of his life, & that is to be respected. Tom ------------------------------ From: "Bill Lowery" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:33:16 PDT Subject: eskrima: New web site Hi All, Just to let people know that Ihave a web site for promoting my club, seminars and to show people whom I have met/trained with. Please let me know what you think. Cheers Bill Lowery billlowery@excite.com _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: New web site > Just to let people know that Ihave a web site for promoting my club, > seminars and to show people whom I have met/trained with. Please let me know > what you think. > > Cheers > > Bill Lowery > billlowery@excite.com What is the URL??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: De Cadena Arnis and Pinoy Boxing ? > > I've seen the term Pinoy also used with Kali, Arnis and Escrima ????? > I believe a pinoy is a Filipino of the male persuasion. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ansel Chin Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:53:26 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Knife Fight Here's my couple of pennies worth: I would submit that any person's response to a traumatic injury in a "combat" situation is going to be based on two things, mindset & training. Most of the E-D'ers are aware of at least a few stories about people with multiple knife wounds continuing to fight. Evan Marshall, a retired Detroit PD detective, has written about the topic of handgun stopping power quite extensively; in one case, an offender had taken multiple hits in the chest from a large bore magnum (I forget if it was a .41 or .44). The offender was still fighting and had to be handcuffed to the gurney for transport to the ER. In yet another case, a citizen received a flesh wound on the arm from a small caliber pistol, and he died on the spot. MINDSET!!!! The only SURE thing I have come across is to use gun/knife/empty hand to physically destroy the physical structures that enable movement. Gunwriter Massad Ayoob documents one case where a homicidal meth-head took multiple hits from coppers, including a head shot. The offender continued fighting. One of the final shots in that confrontation shattered the offender's pelvis, causing him to collapse on the floor, where he contiued to try and crawl toward the officer until he bled out. It is interesting to note that the reverse is also true - unless your means of resistance have been physically destroyed (shattered pelvis/spine, all arms/legs broken), you >>can<< continue to fight, assuming you are still conscious and and willing. BTW, I have never been in a knife fight either, unless crashing a mountain bike into a barbed wire fence at 40+ mph counts :-) Ansel ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #166 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.