From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #169 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 21 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 169 In this issue: eskrima: conked at Kronk's eskrima: Re: target as means to stop somebody eskrima: Something to think about eskrima: GM Manaois Seminar in Long Beach, CA. Re: eskrima: Something to think about eskrima: Serious stuff. eskrima: Re: Targets? eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:05:41 -0700 Subject: eskrima: conked at Kronk's Yip: Tenrec inquired: Mr. Crafty wrote: >hang at Kronk's...you might get titted. Where 'xactly is this Kronk's? Not sure why the end of my tit for tat reference is in the quote, but Kronk's is a very serious pro boxing gym in Detroit. Tommy Hearns and many other world champions have come out of it. Rock wrote about his having trained there. It is not only a very high level tough gym, my understanding is that it is overwhelmingly black. To be a white boy in this environment as Rocky relates, you gotta be one tough hombre. Crafty PS: Attention sensitive people: No racial disparagement intended towards anyone white, black, or whatever. ------------------------------ From: Ted Truscott Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:43:29 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: target as means to stop somebody Jon wrote: >This post got me thinking... >What would all the ED'ers out there target as means to stop somebody - > INSTANTLY! The throat, by a long shot! Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:09:44 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Something to think about I recently had lunch with an old friend of the families who happens to be a Chiropractor. Just for the hell of it I asked him if Dr.'s have ever accidentally broken someone's neck while giving an adjustment. His answer was quite surprising, he very very rarely. But! what happens much more often is, they can cause ( usually ) and older person, to have a stroke! He said sometimes if an older person has a lot of plaque built up in the arteries and the Dr. manages to crimp that artery to much, some plaque can break loose and enter the brain. I was wondering in all the years I have been involved with martial arts I have never heard of this happening in a grappling , but it seems that it must have, and probably more than you would think! Anyone ever heard of it happening. Rocky P.s Ray and Crafty had better stay away from Chiropractors!! :-) Ooh I can feel the smacks coming!! ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:12:42 EDT Subject: eskrima: GM Manaois Seminar in Long Beach, CA. Meowmixnews to all, CAT Society is hosting GM Manaois of ManaoisEskrima International When:Saturday, April 24, 1999 Time: 12n- 4pm Cost: $35.00 at the door Place:3918 Atlantic Ave., Long Beach, CA. May 15,1999, Saturday 12n 4pm Suro Mike Inay of Inayan System of Eskrima will conduct seminar hosted by CAT Society. $35 pre-registration by May 10,1999 or $50 at the door Contact: Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Arniste@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Something to think about > I was wondering in all the years I have been involved with martial arts > I have never heard of this happening in a grappling , but it seems that > it must have, and probably more than you would think! Anyone ever heard > of it happening. In grappling, no. In cracking your own neck, yes. > P.s Ray and Crafty had better stay away from Chiropractors!! :-) Ooh I > can feel the smacks coming!! Why, some of my best friends are Backopractors... :) So, Rock, in Remy's "Rocky! Come here..." videos you were a slim trim youngster. How long ago (in years and lbs) were those vids shot? Me? When I was 14 I was 6'1" and 140 lbs. Now I'm 6'1" 240 lbs. But of course that 100 lbs is solid. Not saying solid what... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Bradley Ryan" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:55:59 PDT Subject: eskrima: Serious stuff. Hello list members, I don't like to bring up bad things, but due to yesterday's gruesome events I have been pondering a couple of questions. First let me explain that I live here in Littleton, CO. In fact, Columbine High School is less than four miles to the west of me. One of my students (a 16 year old boy) goes there. Luckily, he is ok and did not have to see the things that none of those kids should ever have had to see. But this got me thinking. I have been involved in the martial arts for almost 27 years now and thankfully, have never seen anyone get killed. I have seen plenty of people get messed up from street fights or even in competition, but never death. This leads me to my first question. How does seeing someone die or get extremely injured influence one's martial arts? I know this may be a little out of context, the huge difference of seeing someone get shot vs. seeing someone in say a knife fight or street fight. But the question remains. Does it change the way you train? Does it make you change your attitude towards the arts in general? Sorry to be so serious, but this has got me thinking about things. There are many very experienced people on the list whose opinions I respect. Life is such a precious thing, and I am saddened by this recent event. Peace, Bradley _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:55:42 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Targets? My first Silat teacher taught me a lot about the practical end of doing unto others before they do unto you. Strangely enough it had very little to do with Indonesian martial arts and a LOT to do with his background - Colorado hillbilly who has led a very hard life including too many fistfights, too many knife fights (yes, he has the scars), too many gun fights, feuding, and often having nothing to sell but his willingness to be in harm's way. Some of his considered opinions on stopping people who are really trying to hurt you: o Forget long range striking with or without a weapon. Someone who really wants to do you will get close. And the longer you stay in the middle ranges the more cut up you will get. In close or far away. o All you can rely on a gun for is the ability to put holes in something at range so that you will be better off in the knife fight you were going to get into anyway. If you manage to stop them first that's gravy. o The pelvic girdle is a really good place to shoot someone. If the pelvis is shattered they can't walk. And you can run faster than they can crawl. o The ONLY reliable stops are the shots that disconnect the brain from the spine. Actually, we had been talking about hog hunting at the time. Same principle applies except that a hog is a lot tougher and scarier than a man. o In fact, most of what he does has the ultimate aim of locking out the skeleton and throwing someone in a way which compromises the skull or the cervical spine, usually with the knee or ankle thrown in for good measure. o When fighting with a knifer never expect to see the knife first. Most often the first thing you'll notice is getting shanked. If you have a chance to get a blade in your hand hold on for dear life. Don't screw around with changing grips. Don't do anything fancy or flashy. o His favored targets for the knife are big blood vessels, big tendons, and a filleting cut that cuts huge strips off everything from the wrist to the shoulder. o "Attitude without technique beats technique without attitude." Nobody has ever accused Brandt's technique of being pretty. It looks really simple and consists mostly of big movements. A number of local martial artists have spoken derisively about how "crude" and "ugly" it is. Kelly Worden, for instance, called it "Rat Silat". But it works even for a person like Brandt who has severe physical limitations. And he's still alive, so I list very carefully to whatever he has to say about these sorts of things. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #169 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.