From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #172 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 23 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 172 In this issue: Re: eskrima: Filipino music eskrima: (No Subject) eskrima: Sticks reply to Jeffs etc.... eskrima: Fireworks eskrima: Background eskrima: RE: V6 #170 TKD eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #171 Re: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #171 Re: eskrima: RE: V6 #170 TKD eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:48:32 -0700 Subject: Re: eskrima: Filipino music >Does anyone on this list know of any Filipino music that they would >recommend. ( no vocals ) something good to workout to. Cass Magda's wife has produced some good tapes (www.cassmagda.com) ------------------------------ From: " Bad Karma " Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:17:27 -0700 Subject: eskrima: (No Subject) Okay, likewise, this is not aimed at any one person, but just a comment about thinly veiled insults. > Ray wrote: > > will kill you just as f= >ast as will FMA. >Ray Terry> > >This comment has gotten under my skin for some time >now. I am just as gu= >ilty >of using this phrase as anyone else, so I AM NOT > TAKING SHOTS AT RAY TERR= >Y. = I dunno. I think more people should be engaging the brain before releasing the tongue. (Or keyboard) Comments like "bullshit " add nothing to the dialog. They incite and inflame, but do nothing positive to the discussion. Hey, if it's not adding to the dialog, why say it? OTOH, if you're sincere about saying art X is phony and useless, just come out and say it. Be prepared to back it up with some sound reasoning or verifiable evidence, however. Don't be coy and cop out with the "bullshi*" gambit. - --- Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -- John Kenneth Galbraith - -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums ------------------------------ From: Remy Sticks Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Sticks reply to Jeffs etc.... Jeff. Gee Jeff my address is listed, why not MAIL ME DIRECT, (yes I was shouting, apologies to the rest of the list.) instead of blaming the list miester. Sticks _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:40:45 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Fireworks It seems that every once in a while when I e-mail someone this stupid fireworks thing comes out I have no Idea what it is. Any help would be appreciated. Rocky ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:01:56 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Background A Howl etc: Milt McCrory was a welterweight I believe. If memory serves he fought a title unification match with Donald "The Cobra" Curry when both were in their prime with absolutely stellar records. It was a BIG fight at the time (Curry won with a one punch KO early). In ordinary English, the Rock was in with a quality world champion. He was one of those beanpole type fighters, one of those whose strategy is to be really tall with long reach for their division-- just the sort to not fare so well outside of the ring. Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:04:43 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: V6 #170 TKD As for TKD I would say that 95% of the schools that I've seen are sport orientated. The instructor has maybe five years of training and teaches family types i.e. Dad and the sons kicking ass in the local tournament. I judge a MA/practitioner by how he moves when practicing techniques and sparing. Do they look the same? In TKD see a lot of knee up in the air, playing tag type sparring and it doesn't look nothing like what they teach you i.e. the reverse punch etc. IN MY EXPERIENCE (not yelling just emphasizing this point) most TKD sucks and is not effective. I don't know how many 5th degree black belts or masters I met. I saw this guy teaching a class, he was so dam bad, anybody with a couple of weeks of boxing could have walked in a cold cocked him and there would have been nothing he could of done. The guy was an Olympic Silver Medallist in TKD. My experience with most martial arts is that they suck. Every once and a while some bad ass black belt would be brought in by the police or family because he was out of control (must have been once a week), they would threaten me or some of the other staff. About 99% of the time it would end up with them crying how sorry they are and please let them go as I hog tied them and strapped them down to the bed for their "rest". I don't know how many of the other people on the list feels the same, but most martial arts suck because: a) the teacher sucks i.e. has delusions of a one punch or secret kill move win b) the student learns from the teacher so they suck c) student then becomes a teacher further polluting the system. The reason I like FMA/Kali/JKD/Thai Boxing/Savate/Most Jujitsu/wrestling is that they look the same when fighting as practicing, combative in nature or very contact orientated, and not static. Fairly new so this pollution effect hasn't taken place as much I would say that it is a few good individuals don't make a bad art good. I'm not saying that someone from TKD can't be a good fighter but you have to look at the majority as a whole. We have several instructor's from TKD around here regularly show up to train in my class and they suck. You're words Ray... "it is all in the student and their instructor" and the majority suck. The reason most boxers/wrestlers/etc can take out the average martial artist is that they are not use too real pain = not used to getting hit, so it disturbs their ability to fight and they panic. How can they expect to defend themselves? Jeff Monaghan ------------------------------ From: Terry Tippie Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:35:02 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #171 (Ray, please excuse this off-FMA submission. However, I know of no comparable Muay Thai forum, and there are lots of Muay Thai people who monitor this list.) I am interested in hearing from experienced fight coordinators (names and telephone numbers) that would be interested in putting together some fights. Please send any recommendations via private E-mail to ttippie@ascend.com. I am especially interested in people looking for a match with Thailand-based fighters, so that means experienced fighters in the lighter weight categories. Regards, Terry Tippie Pacifica, CA, USA ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #171 > (Ray, please excuse this off-FMA submission. However, I know of no > comparable Muay Thai forum, and there are lots of Muay Thai people who > monitor this list.) mT is a valid topic for this forum... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: RE: V6 #170 TKD > As for TKD I would say that 95% of the schools that I've seen are sport > orientated. The instructor has maybe five years of training and teaches > family types i.e. Dad and the sons kicking ass in the local tournament. I > judge a MA/practitioner by how he moves when practicing techniques and > sparing. Do they look the same? In TKD see a lot of knee up in the air, > playing tag type sparring and it doesn't look nothing like what they teach > you i.e. the reverse punch etc. > IN MY EXPERIENCE (not yelling just emphasizing this point) most TKD sucks > and is not effective. I don't know how many 5th degree black belts or > masters I met. I saw this guy teaching a class, he was so dam bad, anybody > with a couple of weeks of boxing could have walked in a cold cocked him and > there would have been nothing he could of done. The guy was an Olympic > Silver Medallist in TKD. Ummm, ok. Most folks can 'cold cock' anyone, including you and me. But I assume you really meant beat him in a real fight. Did you try? If not then I doubt it. Someone actually good enough to get a Silver will be VERY good and fast and will kick you in the head before you even see their foot move, -when- they are in fighting shape... The only bad thing about TKD is that it is VERY popular. If you had an Eskrima school on every corner like you do TKD schools it would be very easy to locate a bad FMA school. Most TKD you see these days in sport TKD. Most folks out there are not interested in learning how to fight, but in keeping in shape, developing self-confidence and self-discipline. Also most TKD students are kids. So one must be careful to not compare apples and oranges. Will your typical TKDist that is training for sport beat, in a street encounter, your typical FMAer that is training to survive? Maybe not. You can never be sure. As soon as you think that TKDer is easy to take is about when that same TKDer will kick your ass. Never underestimate your opponent or belittle their style. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 08:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #172 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.