From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #173 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 23 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 173 In this issue: eskrima: Fireworks eskrima: Boston area for training.. eskrima: RE: Fireworks eskrima: Re: Slamming Other Styles eskrima: workout music eskrima: OTHER STYLES eskrima: Fan mail eskrima: Reply on MA "quality"... BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from [Mikal B Keenan (fwd) eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Davies Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 16:22:38 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Fireworks There was a virus which affected a few other lists a month or so back. It came in the form of an exe.file called Happy99.exe. When opened all you got was fireworks show. It was a worm and ended up duplicating itself onto messages without the sender knowing. No-one described this phenomenon but sounds similar. Perhaps the IT people can tell you how to clear it. Depends of course what it likes to get called. ; ) From: Rocky Pasiwk > It seems that every once in a while when I e-mail someone this stupid fireworks thing comes out I have no Idea what it is. Any help would be appreciated. pat ------------------------------ From: Lee McKinney Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:49:05 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Boston area for training.. Gentlemen, I have a friend who has just finished federal officers training and is going to be working in the Boston area. Recently I was able to train with Dr. Gyi, told that on average, officers are stabbed 10,000 times a year, and I believe this was including penitentiaries. I was also in the company with officers from all over Ohio, and was able to hear first hand of the difficulty of their profession. I am searching for a school in which I can tell him about so that he is better prepared for his line of duty. Many of you have been in this profession and now better than anyone on the outside or entering what is needed for skills in survival on the street, I also believe that certain fundamental skills are taught very effectively through FMA and JKD concepts. I would rather him go to a school that some of you recognize or have perhaps trained at then having him sent there blind looking at all the different styles. Therefor if anyone knows of a school in the Boston area please contact me directly at: lm543494@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Thank you for your help. Lee ------------------------------ From: "Mark W. Ripley" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 12:17:31 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Fireworks Rocky wrote: >It seems that every once in a while when I e-mail someone this stupid >fireworks thing comes out I have no Idea what it is. Any help would be >appreciated. I think that's a virus called Happy99 or SKA. Here's one of many web pages that may help you find if you have the virus and how to get rid of it: http://craig.medill.nwu.edu/happy99/info.html - -- Mark W. Ripley markr@millerslab.com http://www.millerslab.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 10:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Slamming Other Styles This has always been one of my pet peeves in the martial arts community. Consequently ... [soap box mode on] I think we all, to one extent or another, think that the art/system/style that we study is the best ... if we didn't think that, then we wouldn't be training in it. Also, I think that there's a lot of validity to a statement like "This art sucks *for me*." A good mechanic is a good mechanic, regardless of the brand name of tools he uses. A good fighter is a good fighter, regardless of the brand name of tools he uses. To judge an entire art on the merits of an individual is very narrow minded ... but, on the flip side, to judge an individual fighter on the merits of the system he trains is also very narrow minded. I've known TKD guys who can fight very well ... and I've known FMA guys who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. It is true that the vast majority of TKD players are sport oriented ... and that's great for them if it's what they want. We see the same thing even with the FMA/IMA ... a practitioner of one system of FMA might say (and firmly believe) that another system of FMA sucks. I personally think that all of this is a crock. Martial arts are a means to an end. If the art you train in meets the requirements you're looking for (whether it's the ability to fight or the ability to look good on camera or the ability to stay in shape or ...) then you're in a good martial art. I do disagree with people who teach sport or exercise and claim that they teach self defense so they can get more people in the door. But, here again, this is a reflection only on the instructor who makes this claim (and on the students who blindly follow along in the deception) ... but it's not, nor should it be, a reflection on the art that that instructor teaches (or claims to teach). The simple fact of the matter is that, no matter how many good practitioners there are, there will always be bad practitioners. Unfortunately, bad practitioners tend to make the most noise in an effort to disguise their ineptitude. By making the most noise, they end up becoming the stereotype that the uninformed recognize for that art. [soap box mode off] I think I rambled a little bit more than I intended, but hopefully, I made the point I intended to make. Mike === Mike Casto Assistant Instructor Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali/ 5099 Springboro Pike Indonesian Pentjak Silat Dayton, OH 45439 Phone: (937) 293-5520 URL: http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Schwartz,Oscar" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:15:25 -0500 Subject: eskrima: workout music >Does anyone on this list know of any Filipino music that they would >recommend. ( no vocals ) something good to workout to. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Our instructor plays the soundtrack to "The Hunted". Not Filipino but t= he Kodo drums can really get the sticks swingin'. The movie is pretty good too. F. Schwartz = ------------------------------ From: "Bodnar, Stephen A" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:36:22 -0400 Subject: eskrima: OTHER STYLES Lets not pick on TKD per say. What Ray said in ED #172 is correct. There are a lot of schools out there where the student body is interested in only a social workout. To make the classes tough would drive away business, ala income. To bad they miss the point. Maybe the instructors should change their "shingle" to read Karate Arobics or Tae Bo Do they make a lot of money too, but dont claim to teach you to defend yourself. In fact a few friends who have schools have people in their exercise class that could put the womp on some of their regular students. This furthers .. its the athlete not the style. To each his own.. Another example - is Tai Chi an exercise or a martial art? which gets more students? no matter, what you are, the more of you there is out there the more someone can compare and the more ya find wrong. Bugs me though, I have held the all mighty black belt - the sign of serious study and acomplishment to mean more than - I paid my money for a few years. I see year after year, 1, 1 1/2, 2 year adult black belts. And kids, [love to see kids doing MA's so dont get me wrong] kids in MA for 2 or more years - black belts. What do they know and how well? Are they mature enough to use it properly? YA YA I know about / being 16 to have an adult BB, and YA , ya tell me how kids learn faster than adults---- if all there is to learn can be learned in 12 month--- somethings wrong.......can i get an AMEN ! How comes there is 12 years of school instead of 2? JMHO no hate mail please. ------------------------------ From: "Bryan Justus" Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 11:47:44 PDT Subject: eskrima: Fan mail I just got done reading some wonderful e-mails that were sent to Rocky on this digest. All of this bickering is bringing a tear to my eye........ Rocky, Does this mean I have to call you Guro Rocky, Sifu Paswik, Oh! great one, during training tonite???? Relax you guys! I've known Rocky for years, and I have the utmost RESPECT for Rocky as a martial artist, fighter, teacher and close friend. Call me crazy! but....I've been calling Rocky, Rocky all these years. P.S. I better stop before Rocky makes me wear Groucho nose and glasses for a week! for discipline. Bryan Justus CDM/Pangamut Cuentada - Anciongs Balintawak _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:41:35 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Reply on MA "quality"... Jeffrey Monaghan" wrote; >>My experience with most martial arts is that they suck.<< I won't jump into this debate except to raise Sturgeon's Law, penned by sci-fi author Theodore Sturgeon. Writing about the quality of the literature, he said: "95% of science-fiction is crap because 95% of *everything* is crap." Words to consider. Jeff Jeffery_Harris@rsmi.com "I may be crazy but I ain't stupid..." ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from [Mikal B Keenan (fwd) Forwarding. Ray - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Subject: BOUNCE eskrima: Non-member submission from [Mikal B Keenan ] Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:06:55 -0500 Subject: TKD, etc. From: Mikal B Keenan To quote one TKD master: "Mah-shul ott ees mah-shul ott." AS others have and will stste, there's a difference between traditional (or serious, combat-oriented) teachers and training and commercial (or sport-oriented) teachers and training. As one Korean master put it: "The mah-shul otts is like de cirkull My-kool." My-kool is the way he pronounced my name :-) NEway, there is no cut and dry resolution of this consideration ... there are people who train with sport-oriented masters who will kill you quicker than someone who likes to dance around with a bunch of fancy maneuvers from any other art. It's all a matter of timing, target and technique. Use an appropriate technique on the right target and the right time and you're history no matter what "styles" are represented on either side of the fray. Lose sight of that and one becomes closer to losing, something which might otherwise be considered unacceptable, i.e., it could mean el morte'. I am certain that I've know MANY untrained people who could tear through most trained martial artists regardless of style. Why? They have no "orthodox" lines of engagement and have only one aim ... to take you out any way they can. Remember the difference between fighting a scared beginner and an experienced trainee. Who is the most difficult to fight? Eh? Whassat? RIGHT! Back to topic ... I first met martial arts with Jhoon Rhee in Washington, D.C. Since then I've worked with mainly Chinese and Korean martial "ways." There's no doubt in my mind that any one of those guys that I learned from could put their foot thru someone's head before most people can finish a blink. the most impressive was a little 5 foot guy who used to yell at me as he initiated a crescent kick "You betta moove!!!" No doubt ... guy could put his thumb through a cinder block. So, retracing old ground here, but it is good to be a little more careful when establishing disparaging attitudes towards other styles just because most of what is visible commercially misrepresents the technology's potentials. Consider the 5o+ year old Korean master (TKD only) who routinely puts a spear hand through multiple sheets of coarse sandpaper ... now consider what it takes to do that, speed, etc. ... now imagine the abdominal wall. With all due respect to our pal the detractor, get real. Good TKD has a good reputation and "back in the days" in D.C. nobody fricked around with the TKD boys from Anacostia ;-) They were doing some of the same stunts the guys in Korea do ... leaping over rows of training buddies to slam and break multiple cinder blocks. Well, bro' ... if he can do THAT with ease, imagine what he can probably do just shufflin'around or from a standstill. We had a young guy come in from TKD who would go to torunaments and take people's heads off as soon as the ref said have at it. The kid was up in the air, spun and down to watch his opponent drop. C'est tout. He was a scrawny thing then (late 70's), probably a piece of lightning now. Yes, he could jump, spin and knock a guy out with his heel before anybody knew what had happened. OK, 'nuff of my noise. I should probably just shut up in general. People with limited exposure or limited views of the world will always put down things that they know less about. Repeated reminders ain't gonna change that. The only thing that will change that is for them to have an "experience" ;-) An interesting evolution in TKD is Kun Gek Do, created by a Korean master who trained in Thailand for a few years (Korean Kickboxing). As Rick Faye once admitted, we have to be careful about things that we haven't seen. To think that something cannot harm you increases its likelihood of success in doing so, i.e., you take it too lightly. Similar dynamics apply to systems which emphasize 'chi' development. If you ain't never been hit with it you don't know what's actually there. Reality has nothing to do with beliefs, in fact, it is our beliefs which limit our perception of reality. Any notebook/laptop computer users out there? Don't work with them on your laps. You may not perceive the fields of electromagnetic radiation that they emit (including the supposedly safe LCD) but meanwhile said field(s) will be doing some damage to your gonads!!! Guess I've done enuf community service for a couple of months, eh? I don't know about youse out there but I tire of reading stuff that trashes what others practice. hey, if somebody elses's stuff is no good, so what? Why waste the time talking about it? Put that energy into becoming excellent with what we do, not in pointless disparagement of what someone else does. The post that inspired this one sounded like a fixation on oral stuff. Achieves nothing except create a reputation for having no respect and a bad attitude. PRC has a nice motto: "Friendship first." Funny to hear such comments re: TKD. Don't people know that Ray is the man w.r.t. the Dojang Digest for Korean MAs? Be well, Mik ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #173 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.