From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #179 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 28 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 179 In this issue: eskrima: MA, health and style. eskrima: SPAM re-re-post eskrima: Indonesian Chi Kung? eskrima: Bruce Siddle's Book eskrima: (No Subject) eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. 1050+ members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ben Trissel Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:16:15 -0700 Subject: eskrima: MA, health and style. De-lurking. Bear with this long-winded thought bomb. A while back I developed lower back trubs due to too many high falls(don't let anyone tell you aikido is "the gentle art") and too many years taking lead falls while rock climbing. I went the full circuit trying to find some relief. I started at the doc's office (yup, your back is injured...) to the chiro's (hey, you have a fused vertebra in your lower back!) to, finally, a rolfer. Fortunately, the rolfer I went to was also a former aikido teacher, so he was very sympathetic. And the only one to offer any lasting relief. The process of loosening the tissue around the mis-aligned bone really was the ticket. After a few sessions I regained most of my mobility (and some of my lost speed...) The second phase to healing my damaged body is yoga, which I am becoming more and more enthused about. While the rolfer can loosen up the tissue, dedicating some time to deep stretching keeps the tissue relaxed, and keeps my alignment intact. The third phase is re-integrating my newly won health back into my training. I am fortunate enough to have had some instructors who really hammered home the effectiveness of good structure, who broke the technique down into simple components, like where are your hands and head in relation to your hips. Am I bending my back as opposed to bending my knees? My kajuknebo/eskrima instructor is nearly pathological about this and I am forever grateful to her as a result. What she has taught me actually segues nicely into the discussion of the effectiveness of different styles. As far as I'm concerned, every style has benefits/effective techniques as long as they are taught with the student's sturcture in mind. It does no good to throw a fast kick if its not well grounded and the followthrough isn't going any place. It does no good to have flash sinawalli if, when you get checked, you find yourself off-balance. I was talking recently with an old aikidoka who now teaches a couple classical Japanese martial styles. We were comparing reasons for having left the "aikido fold", and came to similar conclusions, we had both found arts that spoke more deeply to us. Arts whose rhythm struck at a deeper physical, spiritual, intellectual level. For me, it was doce pares eskrima. The lessons I learned from 20 years of aikido are present in my eskrima/kajukenbo, but I don't call myself an aikidoist anymore. I have the option of those techniques in my flow, but my MA style, what is comfortable to me, how I express myself, is really not pure aikido. Would I diss aikido for my own findings? Hell no. I know some aikidoists I would rank right there with any other great martial artist. They have dedicated their lives to their art, and have put everything they do through that crucible and pared their movement down to what is essential and powerful. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: SPAM re-re-post (a re-repost) Are few people have mentioned that their posts to the list are getting bounced back with a 'user unknown'. - - -IF- you notice a 'relays.orbs.org' mentioned in the bounced back e-mail header information then your e-mail is being bounced back because of the following... (from my limited understanding of this stuff) Check out the site http://www.orbs.org It is an attempt to filter out SPAM. There are sites that allow anyone and everyone to route e-mail through their site. I believe this is called open routing and it is a bad thing, bad in the sense that anyone (i.e. a SPAMmer) can send out tons of worthless e-mail. Sites that allow open routing get listed in the database maintained by www.orbs.org, many sites check incoming e-mail against that database, if it comes from a site listed in the database it is rejected. When it is rejected back to your site, your mail system lists it as 'user unknown' and sends the email back to you. This does not mean that YOUR site is a site that permits spam. It means that your site is routing through a site that permits spam, perhaps w/o their knowledge. So, if you submit a post to the list and it is bounced back with a 'user unknown' look for a line in the header mentioning relays.orbs.org. If you see relays.orbs.org tell your postmaster (postmaster@your.domainname) to check out www.orbs.org and to please route through a site that does not permit open routing. It will up to you to have your site correct the problem. Do what you can to help wipe out SPAM. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:00:10 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Indonesian Chi Kung? Has anyone out there heard of the Tetada Kalimasada U.S.A. Institute for Inner Energy Cultivation and Therapy? Their web site, for anyone interested, is: www.ece.arizona.edu/~hasan/k5.html It sounds like an Indonesian version of chi kung or yoga. Comments? Opinions? TIA. Dave. dwf@computerpackages.com ------------------------------ From: Tom Skoglind Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:58:54 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Bruce Siddle's Book I have been to all my local bookstores (including Barnes & Noble) and to Amazon.com and cannot find the Bruce Siddle book "Sharpening the Warrior's Edge" mentioned in a previous thread. Any help tracking this down would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Tom Skoglind tskoglin@schmitt-title.com ------------------------------ From: " Bad Karma " Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:29:19 -0700 Subject: eskrima: (No Subject) Minor nit: > in Hawaii several years back, a middle-aged man > kicked a football player once in the chest and > killed him. This man was a TKD practitioner. I am acquainted with the incident in question. You must be a kid. The criminal in question was in his (early?) 30s. Not quite what I think of as ``middle-aged''. The incident is pretty clear in my mind, because Gilbert Tenio and John Eliab asked me about this as we were having coffee at my friend's house. (Nifty name-dropping and obligatory mention of FMA, eh?) Regarding Jeffrey Monaghan's comments on TKD. I personally am not a fan of TKD, and I only mention that to position my comments. I have tremendous respect for Hapkido, however. Anyway, he says "I have yet to see people fight like they teach it." Cool. I have. Funny, but when karate and kung-fu were "in", lots of folks used to put down Judo, saying it was just a sport. Today, grappling is the magic art. Heh. You might as well slam Aikido, too. Lots of folks put it down as ineffective. Well, I've seen it put to use, as well. As to the TKD practitioner who got KO'd in a streetfight, well I've seen that, too. Typically, he made the same mistake as Mr. Monaghan -- he underestimated his opponent. Hmm. - --- Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -- John Kenneth Galbraith - -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 18:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #179 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.