From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #188 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 5 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 188 In this issue: eskrima: Iron Palms will also lead to blindness... eskrima: big, nagging questions eskrima: Re: Indonesian "Chi" eskrima: Re: Conditioning= Sterility? eskrima: re: boxing/knife eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #187 - conditioning eskrima: Re: Conditioning eskrima: W.E.K.A.F. eskrima: Arnis reference material... eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tenrec Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 03:50:06 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Iron Palms will also lead to blindness... Mr. Remy Sticks wrote: >I vaguely remember seeing or hearing that Iron >palm conditioning could cause sterility among males. Does anyone >remember this? Perhaps if you rub your palm into your groin too much? tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: "C. Herrman" Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:56:48 -0400 Subject: eskrima: big, nagging questions Hello, (much) Earlier in the year there were a couple of related posts which caught my attention. "...what I have recently re- encountered is the myth that martial arts training automatically prepares you to handle street violence. Unfortunately the people who are really pushing this view point are black belts who haven't been in a fight since high school and have never faced a gang member in their lives. " -Animal-( v6 #59 or so) This quote raised an important question for me: How does someone gain the experience to effectively deal with street violence? Obviously you can immerse yourself in an environment where you increase the probablility of a violent encounter - but would the street experience benefits be worth the risk? There was also a post (around the same time, which i can't locate) which basically said: "if you haven't used your training in the street, then you cannot honestly know that it is effective and teach it as being effective." The teaching issue is particularly troublesome. Does this mean that a system that has (at some time) been proven on the street can lose its effectiveness if filtered through an instuctor who has not personally applied it on the street? I had always felt that in order to be a good teacher, you did not necessarily need "street" experience. I felt that if my instructor had applied the art on the street, I could trust his experience and the arts validity without having to test it myself. I also felt that if my instructor trained me well, I could someday, in good consience, pass it on to others as being effective. There is a certain amount of faith in this logic and it seems to me that more faith is required the farther your lineage gets from street experience. I know that my instructor can turn the intensity up very high during our training and sparring, but no matter how intense we get it will never be the same as on the street. I have seen him "switch" into a much higher gear and felt my own adreanaline kick in to try to compensate, and yet I have always felt that there was still a safety line in place (and i am thankful for it!). So, all of this brings me to the question - How do you train someone to effectively deal with street violence? & How do you train someone to be an effective teacher (in the context of MA/self defense)? looking forward to your thoughts, Chris H. student: Executive Edge Martial Development ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Indonesian "Chi" << While I have yet to hear a Guro call it "Chi" The exercises I have been shown certainly ponit to the same golas as that of Chi Kung/Tai Chi breathing exercises.. >> While I'm certainly no expert on the matter, I will share the tidbit of knowledge I do have. The Indonesian equivalent of "Chi" is "Tanaga Dalem" - I know "dalem" is inside or inner ... I'm not sure what "tanaga" translates as specifically, but I've heard "Tanaga Dalem" translated as "inner power", "inner strength", and "inner dragon." From discussions with people who are versed in both the Chinese and the Indonesian internal arts, I would venture to say that the internal aspects of the Indonesian arts are every bit as developed as those of the Chinese. Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "J H" Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:52:04 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Conditioning= Sterility? Sterility? Fry Bread Boy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:51:59 -0700 Subject: eskrima: re: boxing/knife My teacher teaches us a lot of boxing hand work, though teaches it as an extension of the FMA handwork. I don't think this is uncommon. As for boxing techniques with reverse grip knive(s), I'd say that's at least as common. Speaking only from my experience, I've noticed quite a few schools that incorporate boxing into their systems. It's likely that some of the systems were handed down that way. There are aspects from all forms of combat that can be incorperated with each other, and I think often these aspects incorporate themselves in your own personal 'style' through experience and time. Anyway, I'd say that our reverse grip curriculum is based on boxing with the rapidity and flow of FMA... counter strikes, gunting, locks, throws, Fig-8, etc. FMA is one of the best instict developers. #1 Mike Smiley smileymon@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:14:00 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #187 - conditioning > >From: Remy Sticks >Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:01:33 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: eskrima: conditioning > >To the group: >All this talk about conditioning kicked something in the back of my >mind(the very back). I vaguely remember seeing or hearing that Iron >palm conditioning could cause sterility among males. Does anyone >remember this? Does anyone know if this is an old wives tale? >I'm not trying to start a war/ argument, I really don't remember. >Sticks > Has Brian Gray got any kids ? ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:49:01 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Conditioning rsticks wrote: >All this talk about conditioning kicked something in the back of my >mind(the very back). I vaguely remember seeing or hearing that Iron >palm conditioning could cause sterility among males. Does anyone >remember this? Does anyone know if this is an old wives tale? >I'm not trying to start a war/ argument, I really don't remember. >Sticks It's important to remember that within "iron palm" there are two basic categories, "internal" and "external", and within each category there are a multitude of different methods. Some may be harmful while others are not. HTH. Dave. ------------------------------ From: "Kyud" Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 05:55:54 -0700 Subject: eskrima: W.E.K.A.F. Greetings and salutations: I asked this before and received no reply, does anyone know about organization holding a tournament called the Hawaii Challenge International Martial Arts Tourney? It is the World Eskrima-Kali-Arnis Federation. Looks like it might be a good tournament and the rules for fighting and forms look pretty good. Just want to see if anyone has been to one of the tournaments held by this organization. Thanks http://www.wizard.com/~kyud/index.html ------------------------------ From: Brandon Hume Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:27:56 -0300 (ADT) Subject: eskrima: Arnis reference material... A number of friends and myself attempt to learn Arnis de Mano together as a very informal group. Or instructor is a valid black belt, but his master and the nearest other instructor I can name is a 2h drive away. My instructor has to work, and I can't very well pester him on a constant basis for details, but I suspect some of the "formal" Arnis has been lost in the relative uniqueness of the art to the local area and the isolation. Can anyone point me to some online reference materials, hopefully relative to stick patterns, rankings, and ranking requirements? (I apologize if this is an overly pedestrian question for the list.) ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #188 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.