From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #189 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 5 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 189 In this issue: eskrima: iron palm & sterility eskrima: Malay silat eskrima: Internal Indonesian MAs eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #188 eskrima: Re: Dojo.lies eskrima: FMA in El Paso eskrima: My Sincere Apology to Everyone Re: eskrima: My Sincere Apology to Everyone eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Drew Zimba Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: iron palm & sterility Re. irom palm & sterility: Perhaps this has to do with cinnibar (mercury ore) being an ingredient of many traditional Did Da Jow recepies? Enough mercury absorbed through the skin would cause many medical problems. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Dom" Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:32:07 GMT Subject: eskrima: Malay silat I studied malay silat for a (too) short while, in the Seni Silat Lincah system. Although it incorporates low stances and groundwork it is unrelated to Harimau in any serious sense. Also bersilat means 'do silat' in Malay and is not the name of an art. Malays generally refer to the art as Seni Silat or simply Silat. Dom ------------------------------ From: Ingo Bojak Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:47:59 +0200 (DFT) Subject: eskrima: Internal Indonesian MAs On Wed, 5 May 1999 Mike Casto wrote: > From discussions with people who are versed in both > the Chinese and the Indonesian internal arts, I would > venture to say that the internal aspects of the > Indonesian arts are every bit as developed as those of > the Chinese. > From the bits I have picked up in the neijia list I would suggest that there are only very few people who are versed in any particular internal art and the chances to meet someone who is versed in more than one, in particular in more than one coming from different cultures, is basically zero. Also hearing somebody say "well, true, the other guys do it better than us" in the MAs is like winning the jackpot in a lottery. If you are interested in a Kun Tao (sp?) vs. Taiji slug-fest check out the Chas Clements vs. Mike Sigman thread in RMA a while back... Ciao, Ingo - --- "Water which is too pure has no fish." Ts'ai-ken-t'an ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:12:41 +0100 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #188 From: "C. Herrman" This quote raised an important question for me: How does someone gain the experience to effectively deal with street violence? Obviously you can immerse yourself in an environment where you increase the probablility of a violent encounter - but would the street experience benefits be worth the risk? <> There was also a post (around the same time, which i can't locate) which basically said: "if you haven't used your training in the street, then you cannot honestly know that it is effective and teach it as being effective." <> The teaching issue is particularly troublesome. Does this mean that a system that has (at some time) been proven on the street can lose its effectiveness if filtered through an instuctor who has not personally applied it on the street? I had always felt that in order to be a good teacher, you did not necessarily need "street" experience. I felt that if my instructor had applied the art on the street, I could trust his experience and the arts validity without having to test it myself. I also felt that if my instructor trained me well, I could someday, in good consience, pass it on to others as being effective. There is a certain amount of faith in this logic and it seems to me that more faith is required the farther your lineage gets from street experience. <> I know that my instructor can turn the intensity up very high during our snip How do you train someone to effectively deal with street violence? & How do you train someone to be an effective teacher (in the context of MA/self defense)? <> ------------------------------ From: Ted Truscott Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:06:39 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Dojo.lies Thanks to Animal for the plug about my efforts but I must say, 1. I wrote that a long time ago about one particular city, a small quiet place that I hoped to keep that way. Therefore it may not translate into a large and dangerous American city very well - feel free to modify anything you like to fit your situation. 2. This piece was one of the first things I used years ago to learn html and I posted it for other martial artists in Victoria as part of that learning experience but I never thought it would be seen internationally, even tho the web is ww....I haven't even re-read it in 8 yrs.! Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" ------------------------------ From: "Tim Kashino" Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 11:12:54 -0700 Subject: eskrima: FMA in El Paso Hi Everyone, It looks like I'm going to be relocating to El Paso, Texas in about ten months or so. Does anyone out there have any information on FMA schools in the area? Any other information about neighborhoods, schools and criminal activity would help too. Thanks in advance. V/R Tim Kashino Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ From: Kevin Kirk Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: My Sincere Apology to Everyone Hi Ray, I got an e-mail that says I have insulted you and TKD. Before I get more letters like this I'm sending out an apology to you and everyone else who was offended by my post. I should not have sent this. My intention was not to slam TKD but, to make fun of some of the parables, homilies, maxims, whatever you want to call them, that use unusual analogies like comparing martial arts to a house, or a gesture, or whatever. And I was making fun of those you want to place one martial art above another as well. I do not rank martial arts - I keep an open mind about all of them and I feel sure we can all learn from all of them. Or, as I've heard said "It's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog." Dog Brother FMA is an Akita, BJJ is a... no I'm not go'in there again! I keep forgetting the amount of passion people feel for their art. I'm crawling back in my bunker now, let's see now, yea, cocked and locked. :-) - -Kevin ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: My Sincere Apology to Everyone > Hi Ray, > > I got an e-mail that says I have insulted you and TKD. Before I > get more letters like this I'm sending out an apology to you > and everyone else who was offended by my post. Thanks, but I personally didn't feel insulted. No problem as far as I am concerned. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #189 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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