From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #190 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 5 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 190 In this issue: eskrima: May'99 DB Gathering Report [Marc Denny] eskrima: Malay silat correction eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #189 eskrima: 4 ur reading pleasure RE eskrima: FMA in El Paso eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Loki Jorgenson Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: May'99 DB Gathering Report [Marc Denny] Forwarded on behalf of Marc Denny (having e-mail problems) From: Marc Denny To: eskrima-digest Subject: Gathering Report Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 12:40 PM A Howl of Greeting to All: The Second Decade of the Dog Brothers began this past Saturday with the "Dog Brothers' Primo de Mayo Gathering of the Pack." A serious effort to count heads was mounted and an estimated 350-400 observed 31 fighters from Canada, CA, AZ, ID, OH, OR, LA, MA, NM, NY and elsewhere. Brent "Earth Tribe Rhythms" Lewis again was there on the djembe drum, this time with a friend and a student of his. When the student expressed doubts as to her readiness, Brent told her "I'm going to give you a lesson you're never going to forget!" This was to be truer than he would know at the time. When one of the fights went crashing into the drummers, without missing a bit she calmly picked up her drum and moved aside, keeping the count as Ringmaster Salty Dog used his leg as a fence to keep the fighters from crashing into the other two drummers. She later enthused to me about what a great time she had. The day began with 2x2 knife. This is very popular with the crowd as some of the alert fighters run off from the opponent in front of them to stab the man their partner is dealing with in the back. It is really quite amazing to see just how powerful the tendency to tunnel vision can be-- (perhaps a point to be commented on by those with multiple player street experience?) Again and again, fighters who had just observed this dynamic, went out on the field only to do it themselves. In my round, I stabbed one of my opponent's in the back 5X! One of the best knife pairs was Hot Dog and List member Dog Loki Jorgensen. Loki had already gotten HD's opponent in the back once and so the opponent was already primed when HD shouted to him "Behind you!" and he actually looked! The crowd roared as HD stabbed him in the chest. It was also interesting to note how much less technical the 2x2 fights were, even when the fighters were basically paired off. Also of interest is just how much KK type kicking there is getting to be-- Salty has really started something here. Dog Nick Sacoulas's crew from NYC was strong in this regard, C-Pappy Dog landed a clean toe kick to the belly, and Dog Chris landed some kicks too as well as dominating one of his fights with driving KK siniwali footwork. There where many more, but perhaps the flashiest kicks of the day were what might be called the "flying teeps" of Hot Dog in his one fight. Although they didn't really land, his size 14s, backed by a fit 6'4" and 255 lbs., disrupted his opponent's structure to where he was able to land some really effective stick shots. HD plays a lot of hoops and his teeps looked more like the way Magic Johnson used to throw a leg out in front of him as he would go up for a lay-up. .. Salty Dog has evolved into a stellar Ringmaster, wielding the Bando Executioner's staff to work his way into fights on the ground so that he can remove the fighters' headgear. Salty, would have been fighting but for very recent eye surgery. Not only can he see better than he has in a long time (and sight is kinda important in stickfighting!) , but he was looking very fit (uh oh!) and it appeared to be effortless for him to keep the two rolling fighters referred to above at bay with one tree-like leg. He looks to be very dangerous in the fall Gathering on September 18th. With regards to gear, several fighters fought without elbow and knee pads. In some cases this may have been due to absent-mindedness, but in some of the cases it was a purposeful step on the path towards greater truth. In my case, I like to elbow but was concerned about grating my elbows bloody on my opponent's mask so I went with unpadded elastic elbow supports and stayed with the wrestling pads for the knees. Second timer Jason Daniels of Louisiana was one of those who went out with bare elbows and knees and also with particularly light gloves-- good spirit! Top Dog, as always in his first generation mask, went unpadded on elbow and knee and BAREFOOT. Still, a couple of fighters managed to get on the field with somewhat heavier gloves. Also, the manufacturer's trend towards heavier fencing headgear continues. The fencing MASKS with which the original Dog Brothers began simply are no longer available and what is made today really is a fencing HELMET. Still, several fighters did get their bell rung, with one quality fighter getting his head bloodied and his bell rung to where he wisely quit for the day. This is a point I would like to emphasize. In my unhumble opinion, once your bell is rung, you should call it a day-- I believe that subsequent rings of the bell have unacceptable IQ reducing potential. Injury reports are beginning to dribble in. In addition to a greater amount of blood than usual, what we have so far is a broken thumb and a slightly torn medial meniscus. The latter was the result of a heel hook, which despite its name, is a lock which attacks the knee in a vicious and dangerous way. Even though complete, prompt recovery is anticipated, this lock should be applied only with extreme care or not at all and is NOT an acceptable sort of injury and the fighter in question will be advised in this regard. The fights were many and varied with many lessons for those with the eye to see them. Some of those catching my attention were: in one fight that had gone stickless on the ground, one fighter alertly jumped up and ran over and picked up a stick. Good presence of mind. However, his opponent was without headgear and so to keep the fight going he threw his stick aside and went at his opponent with a textbook jun fan hi-lo-hi front hand into a front round kick (a.k.a. a "hook kick" in Jun Fan terminology). Great! Unfortunately, he got reversed on the takedown, , , In one of his many fights, Dog Loki attempted an armbar from guard and was getting stacked so he put one end of his stick in his opponent's chest and the other in the ground thus blocking the stack-- great improv! I was pleased to see the KK influence having its intended effect for the DBMA fighters. Top Dog was in fine form. In his most challenging fight of the day, the sticks used at his opponent's request were quite light. Thus certain shots which IMHO would have had debilitating effect did not, and when the fight went to the ground the stick bent dramatically when he went to apply a fang choke because it was so light. Then, while in his opponent's half guard TD made a mistake and sat up to pound as if he had mount. This left him quite vulnerable to a heel hook leg lock attempt which almost succeeded-- indeed it might have but for the fact that he was barefoot. Dog Tony garnered considerable barks of approval in his match with TD when he managed to briefly have sidecontrol as the fight went to the ground. List member Ed Charboneau of MA after a year of adversity got himself into fighting shape and did well and hit hard out of movement. Visiting friend Dale Franks showed that a smaller and older man (he's almost as old as me!) can hang with the big boys with fitness, agile movement and stickwork, and solid ground skills. In one fight he established mount and had the stick and demonstrated his options by impaling the stick into the ground next to the opponent's head several times. We had two fighters in their 50s-- one of them being 55 if I have it right, which breaks Underdog's record of 50. A Willie Nelson lookalike, he took one shot over the forearm that broke the stick literally in half! Unfazed he hit his now unarmed opponent-- great! And, if I may indulge in a personal note-- I enjoyed my four foot staff fight immensely. All in all, an absolutely great day. Fox News (not Fox Files! ) was there and will be doing a feature piece in a couple of weeks for sweeps week. Several members of this Digest were there and hopefully they will share their thoughts and remembrances of the day. Top? Salty? Sleeping? C-Tricky Dog? C-Raw Dog? Pappy Dog? Ed C? Anyone? "Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact!" (c) Crafty Dog xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx And to give a complete listing of new members and promotions: *Nick Papadakis (progeny of Guro Crafty) is now "Pappy Dog". (PD is the lead guitarist for the Fontanelles and showed stellar DB spirit in getting out there-- with Top Dog yet!-- the day before a really big gig. The band told him they would go on tour without him if he broke his hand.) PD is the man behind "Kombat Instruments Ltd (K.I.L.)" which is the supplier of sticks etc to the Hermosa Clan of the Dog Brothers as well as a principal supplier to the Inosanto Academy. Both Top Dog and I endorse his sticks. You can access KIL through our links page. *Loki Jorgensen (progeny of DBMA Guro Sled Dog) is now "Candidate Tricky Dog" *Chris Clifton (progeny of Guro Crafty) is now "Candidate True Dog" *Gregory Van Zuyen (progeny of DBMA Lakan Guro Pappy Dog) is now "Dog Greg" *Rodney Libramonte (progeny of DBMA Senior Lakan Guro C-Raw Dog)is now "Dog Rodney" So sayeth the Council of Elders (Crafty, Top & Salty) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx And C-Tricky Dog is now a Lakan Guro in DBMA. Woof, Guro Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Dom" Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 21:01:03 GMT Subject: eskrima: Malay silat correction Doh!. Forgot it's also quite obviously called Penjak silat (pencak silat etc.) in Malaysia. I'm a fool. Dom "Let's blow this thing and go home" --)-----------|____________| ,' ,' -)------======== ,' ____ ,' `. `. ,' ,'__ ,' `. `. ,' ,' . `. `._,'___------ Dom, [._ _| ^-- || | bgy6djb@leeds.ac.uk ____,...-----|__________ll_|\ The Force Be With You ,.,..-------""""" "----' || .-"" |=========================== ______________ | "-...l_______________________ | |' || |_] [`-.|__________ll_| ,' ,' `. `. ,' ,' `. ____`. -)---------======== `. `.____`. `. `. `.________`. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:39:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #189 In a message dated 5/5/99 1:48:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << How do you train someone to effectively deal with street violence? >> I am of the fortunate few who has found a partner(s) that is willing to go a hard as I am, stick, knife or empty hand. For example, after learning the basic technique of maybe an arm bar, the way to practice this is to literally FORCE your opponent into the hold and wrench the arm until he gives up or it snaps. In the meantime your opponent should be doing everything humanly possible to keep you from suceeding or breaking his arm (so they should also learn to tap out! : ) ) When I fight, there are certain people I can go at full force that I may or may not beat, but we remain friends afterwards regaurdless. But most people I fight I can not go at for real. The hardest part is finding someone willing to take the abuse, that you yourself are willing to endure. And it is always nice to go on to fight another day. So step up the training intensity gradually, because power can be a very rude awakening. Bushidosh@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: 4 ur reading pleasure Noticed in rec.m-a. Khalid's latest serrada instructional videotape? :) Now where did I put my Viagra.?. Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: rec.martial-arts,rec.arts.movies.production Subject: Escrimafilm:WARRIOR SCHOOLGIRLS Equipment for the film, a Arriflex 35 mm motion picture camera is available to me for almost free, saving me US $ 5000 per day that Panavision Sales in San Francisco and Hong Kong are charging renters. World's first film featuring the Filipino stickfighting system is almost ready to roll, except that I need some extra money for purchasing 10 Kodak color 35 mm motion picture negative rolls [400 ft rolls each]. I would need US $ 8000 to make a main copy of the film and one or two extra copies for distribution. Film Title: WARRIOR SCHOOLGIRLS Storyline: Film combines martial arts action featuring karate and escrima, with the current trend of Japanese schoolgirls going about pouty faced in tight short skirts. A truck from Tokyo airport, carrying cartons of Viagra aphrodisiac imported from USA, goes into accident on the highway from airport to city and the Viagra gets mixed with the ingredients of another truck , this second one carrying powder to make a soft drink. A group of businessmen and karate fighters returning from a match in another city on a train drink this soft drink. It so happens that a group of Schoolgirls is also returning from a hiking trip and the male population on the train becomes terribly loving and wants to grab them. The main karate heavy is a sword specialist, and very morose, he and his senior students use karate to clear the scene and get the girls themselves. The train stops at an abandoned station with no door out to the world. The girls run out, the guys too. A railroad worker [me] working late at night is an expert in stickfighting. He confronts the karate guys. Mucho action scenario, stick vs blade, sword vs emptyhand, roundhouse vs gunting, whatever you want. The schoolgirls take refuge in a men's room. The escrima hero tells them to stay there until the karate maniacs go away. But, as time goes by, the schoolgirls lose control and become freako. They want to offer themselves to the karate maniacs for anything the karate guys want to do with them. Which leaves the stickfighter hero in a dilemma. Should he keep the girls safe in the men's room until morning, or should he sell them to the karate gang, one by one. Soon, one of the schoolgirls reveals herself to be an expert in Naginata and finds a rod to display it. She wants to destroy the stickfighter hero, because he does not appeal to her. She forms her own gang. She wants to make love before death, and so she invites the karate gang to grab her and her sisters. The stickfighter hero, half injured because he let the girl hit him initially, wants to fix the problem for all. There is still some time because it is only 3 a.m. in the morning. It is a hot storyline, immediately sellable. I want the ladies on internet to support me with thier husband's/boyfriend's money (if the guys won't), otherwise this escrimafilm project will not get off. silat karate taekwondo arnis de mano serrada kali jeet kune do jkd rec.arts.movies.production FMA - -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ------------------------------ From: "Enrique Acosta Jr." Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 17:08:30 -0600 Subject: RE eskrima: FMA in El Paso My knowledge of local El Paso FMA schools is limited but as far as I know there are only two schools in El Paso. The first is the Filipino American School of Combat Arts. It is run my Mr. Gaudiosa Ruby. He has what I believe to be a most unusual method of enrolling in his school, or at least I have never heard of this being done in any MA school. Any prospective student has to have a background check done by the El Paso Police Deparment. You will need to visit the main police station and fill out a form, pay the fee, and the Police will mail the background check to whomever you designate. This is the same procedure that is done with most security guard applicants. The address and phone number are: 10920 White Hall Drive El Paso, TX 79924 (915) 821-9310 The second school is Hayashi's Martial Arts Academy. This academy has a varied curriculum. They teach: Judo/Ju-Jitsu, Aikido, Kendo, Karate, JKD/Kali/Wing Chun, Kickboxing/Boxing, and Tai-Chi Chun. The academy was in the news a while back by having one of the female instructors fight in a female boxing match locally. The address and phone number are: 4929 Dyer Street El Paso, TX 79904 (915) 565-2352 Crime-wise El Paso is not that bad as compared to other cities. The major problem here is car thefts. El Paso is just minutes away from Mexico. So if you drive a pick-up or any other "popular" vehicle there is a chance it will end up across the border in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico. Now, Juarez is a different matter altogether. Over there in the last couple of years about one hundred? (+/- 15) murders have occured. These murders are blamed on several serial killers. Some may be Americans who cross the border so that they can kill without too much of a worry about getting caught. Mostly the killer(s) target young women from the working-poor. Even the FBI's "profilers" have visited the State Judicial Police to try and get some leads for them. Also, a couple of months back there was a drug war among several cartels. These guys would knock each other off in restaurants and nightclubs. Bad guys wacking each other is not too problematic. The problem was that they would hose down many, many innocent bystanders. I hope this doesn't scare you off. El Paso is fairly boring, compared to NYC or LA. Enrique Acosta acostaej@ci.el-paso.tx.us ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 16:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #190 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.