From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #199 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 12 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 199 In this issue: eskrima: Re: TKD vs knife... eskrima: A SPECIAL THANKS TO RAY eskrima: another Gathering report, sundry, and an advertisment eskrima: TKD Motha's eskrima: DB Gathering - 2x2 knife questions eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: " Bad Karma " Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:14:22 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: TKD vs knife... Joey Gil wrote: > Well, good for the cashier. So she did it with TKD. Indeed. I'm happy anytime one of the good guys wins. > These people got somereally, really fast high kicks. "These people"? Whatever. > I wouldn't do that myself... Everyone is different. Every situation is different. Don't ding someone just because they chose a different solution. > besides, whatare the chances the suspect was a > trained knife fighter? Very little chance. How many "trained knife fighters" do you know? Just taking some eskrima lessons doesn't make one a knife fighter any more than having flown a trainer makes one a combat pilot. Very often, the simple act of defiance will make the difference in such a situation. Does that make the training worthless? Hardly. It's what gave the good guy the frame of mind to fight back and the physical conditioning to allow it. - --- Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. -- John Kenneth Galbraith - -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums ------------------------------ From: "michael f. suyematsu" Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:43:55 -0700 Subject: eskrima: A SPECIAL THANKS TO RAY Ray, Just wanted to drop line to thank you publicly for all the work you do on this list. I have been lurking for a few months now and I can't tell you how much I enjoy reading the likes of Crafty Dog, Animal and even Rocky. Thanks for your time and effort. Regards, Mike Suyematsu ------------------------------ From: Loki Jorgenson Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: another Gathering report, sundry, and an advertisment Forwarded on behalf of Marc Denny: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx A Howl of Greeting to All: Well, things are slow so here's something that chuckled me from Surf Dog's 50-something student who fought at the Gathering and broke a stick into two separate pieces with his forearm ;-) Reprinted with permission. Dear Crafty Dog: I want to thank you for the opportunity to participate in the May 1st. Stick Fight. As you know this was my second fight and I can certainly attest to the statement "Higher Consciousness Through Harder Contact". I have been told that there are 'woofs' around the food dish; stating that maybe the stick that broke my arm was possibly of inferior quality. Please allow me to share with you another perception. "As the recipient of many powerful blows from my masterful opponent, I can attest that the rattan stick in question was of the highest quality. The issue at hand, or arm in case, was those repeated blows to my forehead, I rapidly became concerned for the well being of that poor little stick. Especially when Mr. Jockumsen choked up a little and let it fly across the side of my head.......I knew then that stick was weakened and in trouble. At this point I considered stopping the fight for the sake of that poor little stick, but being a dedicated fighter I had to stay on a little longer. Then.....out of the nowhere came a crashing slash that I blocked with my naked arm, knowing there would be damage to the stick, but, what the hell, I'm here to fight! Then.....a second crashing blow.....again I blocked with my arm, the naked one you know, that was toughened by Surf Dog for years.......the stick met it's match........it couldn't take it...................it Broke!" Just another perception or view. Yours, Gene Hughes, hope to be a Dog. END QUOTE: Speaking of quotes, Jon wrote: "Or as Top Dog said in DB#1 - This is this! (swinging a stick real hard!)" Actually this is a quote we took from the movie "The Deerhunter" and is a line spoken by Robert Deniro (sp?). A bunch of steelworker buddies in PA have gone deerhunting up in the mountains and all but RD are getting real drunk and stupid as they unload their guns from the car to go hunting. RD, offended by their lack of respect for what they are about to do suddenly fires his hunting rifle right in their ears, BANG!!! "What the f$%^!!!!" And he holds up a bullet to them and says "This is this." BTW, The Deerhunter is a real interesting movie, worth the renting. I too enjoyed reading the fruits of Ray's query to GM Lazo and have now read his interview in FMA Magazine (to which I will be subscribing). Very interesting. Among other things, there is a foto sequence with an "inside pak sao", some comments on the Cabaroan system that he started with, and it is safe to say he is real displeased with Mark Wiley's book. Woof, Crafty Dog ADVERTISEMENT! ADVERTISEMENT! ADVERTISMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! The "members only" website of the Dog Brothers Martial Arts Association (DBMAA) is now up and running. In addition to technique sequences not shown on the public DBIMA website, the DBMAA website will have vid-lessons, reprints of all articles about the DBs, a forum for questions and free ranging commentary, articles of interest (e.g. more extensive excerpts of the Dr. Gyi article) and more. There will be a chapter by chapter reprint of the legendary "Jungle Patrol" which is out of print and copyright expired, and eventually "Swish of the Kris" as well. With any luck, the Vid-lesson on Krabi Krabong featuring Ajarn Arlan "Salty Dog" Sanford will be shot when I get back from Europe in mid-June (hint, hint Salty) The "Welcome to DBMAA" tape has begun editing and at the moment the plan is to include: a) DB fight footage b) Because we think it is important as the FMA expand beyond their homeland that we get a sense of who the men are who brought the art to us, there will be extensive never before seen interviews with (attention sensitive people, the list is in no particular order) 1- Diony Canete 2- Sam Tendencia 3- Angel Cabales 4- Narrie Babao 5- Ben Largusa 6- Edgar Sulite 7- Leo Gaje (rarely seen) I have just received permission from Guro Inosanto to include some footage of some of these men from his archives. There is also the footage of GM Cabales in his one appearance on the silver screen in Leo Fong's "Tiger Revenge" (sometimes known by other names). There will also be very rare and very HOT footage of GM Edgar, GT Gaje, and Guro Inosanto in action. The various appearances of the Dog Brothers on TV will probably be included as well. This tape will eventually be available to the general public, but at prices that are going to make you want to join the DBMAA and get it for free for joining ;-) And now, back to our regular programming. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: "J H" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 00:47:10 PDT Subject: eskrima: TKD Motha's I've go to say that I know some pretty bad TKD people... One guy in particular who was a co-founder( and ex-instructor) TKD/Kung Fu Academy in Santa Clara County, CA. Sorry, but his name will not be mentioned out of respect. (There's already enough mud-slinging in the MA's.) That boy could fight. I mean street fight. He grew up Persian in the eighties, so he was jumped all the time by backwards KKK/Neo-Nazi types. Well, he mixed up the speed and agility of TKD with street fighting and became next to unstoppable. He hit rock bottom when his partner stabbed him in the back, though. He gave up his portion of the schools, because it was just too much for him to handle( emotionally)... That's when I quit TKD. I couldn't take learning from a man who stabbed my friend/ instructor and in the back. Anyway, he turned into quite a brawler. He's straight out of your average "mystic warrior gone bad" kung fu movies. He's always got great fighting stories, it kind of reminds me of tails that I've heard of P. Vunak. Now, he's definetely crazy. What's he call it? Killer Instinct? Anybody, have any good stories to share? Having fun babbling, Fry Bread Boy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:40:23 -0400 Subject: eskrima: DB Gathering - 2x2 knife questions Hello, Crafty Dog wrote in V6 #190: > The day began with 2x2 knife. This is very popular with the crowd as >some of the alert fighters run off from the opponent in front of them to >stab the man their partner is dealing with in the back. It is really quite >amazing to see just how powerful the tendency to tunnel vision can be-- >(perhaps a point to be commented on by those with multiple player street >experience?) Again and again, fighters who had just observed this dynamic, >went out on the field only to do it themselves. In my round, I stabbed one >of my opponent's in the back 5X! One of the best knife pairs was Hot Dog >and List member Dog Loki Jorgensen. Loki had already gotten HD's opponent >in the back once and so the opponent was already primed when HD shouted to >him "Behind you!" and he actually looked! The crowd roared as HD stabbed >him in the chest. It was also interesting to note how much less technical >the 2x2 fights were, even when the fighters were basically paired off. and Ed Charbonneau wrote in Vol 06 : Num 195: >One of the things that really stood out in my mind was the 2 man knife sparring and the awareness people need to keep from getting stabbed in the back. There was a tremendous amount of noise and people around and in a highly adrenalized state it was extremely difficult to keep track of the second person. I was never aware of the second opponent until he had already stabbed me in the back. and my q's are: 1) What were the "rules" of the 2x2 knifefights? Was a guy "dead" after a hit? 2) If A & B were one team and C & D were the other team, A is engaged with C and B with D, when B ran off from D and stabbed C in the back, why didn't D tell C that B was coming for him? I understand about the tunnel vision of C concentrating only on A and not seeing B, but where was D in all of this? My guesses: D was "dead" and could not talk or the noise level was REALLY high. TIA. Very best, Hy bakayaru@pipeline.com "Gwun mo leung heung" The pole makes one sound only. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #199 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.