From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #200 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 12 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 200 In this issue: eskrima: Re: TKD cashier eskrima: Re: DB Gathering - 2x2 knife questions eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #198 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #198--John Frankl's post eskrima: New Canadian Balintawak Eskrima Club eskrima: Vunak eskrima: Rex Kimball eskrima: Tunnel of Death- True or False ? eskrima: 2x2 hit by 2x4 and DBs on TV eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joey Gil Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:55:11 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: TKD cashier > >Joey Gil wrote: >> Well, good for the cashier. So she did it with TKD. > >Indeed. I'm happy anytime one of the good guys wins. > >> These people got somereally, really fast high kicks. > >"These people"? Whatever. > >> I wouldn't do that myself... > >Everyone is different. Every situation is different. Don't ding someone >just because they chose a different solution. Sorry for the offending generalization...but TKD is known for it's kicks. I'm refering to TKD practicioners not Koreans in case you misunderstood. Otherwise, I don't see a huge problem with a generalization that a "kicking system" has good kicks. Some of my best friends are TKD practicioners :) And I'm not dinging on someone for a different solution. I was responding to a post from someone freaking out that she did it with TKD. Like it was impossible or something. I was just saying, I myself would not do that, because I can't kick very high (assuming the knife was held relatively high). I was not saying she shouldn't have. And to the post stating that I would kick if my hands were busy...let me refrase, I would prefer not to kick. ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:20:17 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: DB Gathering - 2x2 knife questions Hy wrote: >and my q's are: > >1) What were the "rules" of the 2x2 knifefights? Was a guy "dead" after a >hit? >2) If A & B were one team and C & D were the other team, A is engaged with >C and B with D, when B ran off from D and stabbed C in the back, why didn't >D tell C that B was coming for him? I understand about the tunnel vision of >C concentrating only on A and not seeing B, but where was D in all of this? > >My guesses: D was "dead" and could not talk or the noise level was REALLY >high. > Maybe D was busy posing for the camerman (we'll call him P) or checking out cute girls X,Y & Z. ;^) Dave. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:18:36 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #198 >>Simply stated, it's not the system, but your committment<< Well said...there is a man here in my hometown who is a traditional Shotokan man, and one of the toughest SOB's I've ever met, bar NONE. He has never studied at length anything but Shotokan, and is one of the last people I would ever want to meet in the ring. He's got the warrior spirit, or as we call it, the third eye. May have come from his growing up in Brooklyn before moving to Indiana, but for whatever reason, he knows his stuff, and has my respect. Kim ------------------------------ From: Bob Manalo Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #198--John Frankl's post Dear John, You wrote: > From: John Frankl > Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:24:21 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: eskrima: re: tunnel of death > > How many of us really believe in this > HongKong-movie-inspired tunnel of > death stuff? > > Or put less inflammatorily, I am very skeptical and > would appreciate > hearing others' opinions, but even more I'd like to > see some > archaeological evidence of such a tunnel. > > Any takers? > > John Frankl > There was this recent movie, "Small Soldiers", where a statement was made that sounded like "just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.". I can understand that you're the tangible type--show me proof and I'll believe--which is perfectly okay. But, you need to think about it. Theses caves existed in Dizon's time, and Dizon, Angel Cabales, Tatang--they're all dead. The surviving Grandmasters in the RP know the location, even though the caves are aged and probably non-functional now, but you need to be in that circle to get that knowledge. Keep in mind, too, that there are alot of things that seem "Hong-Kong-movie-inspired", things that seem phenomenal, but they do exist. But, these things, be it martial arts, mysticism, religion, and so on are so sacred, they aren't brought out on display because of respect. Not to be inflammatory... Peace, Bob Manalo, Jr. Advanced Guro IESA www.tribe-iesa.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:57:12 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: New Canadian Balintawak Eskrima Club New Canadian Balintawak Eskrima Club Just a note for anyone in the northern Okanagan Valley of British Columbia, near Vernon. Greg Nardi has set up a club to teach Jose Villasin's pre-groupings style of Balintawak Eskrima. Greg has also has incorporated some jiu jitsu based ground work into his curriculum. Greg is a great guy, and a fine technician. If you live near that part of the world, or are just passing through on vacation, you should check him out. See http://www.vernon.com/eskrima/ Regards, G. Michael Zimmer ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:54:13 EDT Subject: eskrima: Vunak In a message dated 5/12/99 10:43:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << it kind of reminds me of tails that I've heard of P. Vunak >> I attended a seminar with Vunak in Miami some years ago. A real good seminar, lots of functional stuff. Paul is a profound communicator and teacher. His stories though,...didnt seem to match up chronologically, or for that matter, make any sense. His private life is his own,....but if I were him,... I would play my cards closer to my chest. Tom Furman,...tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:57:10 EDT Subject: eskrima: Rex Kimball Does anyone remember Rex Kimball??? He used to write for the martial arts mags. He had trained with Fred Absher in New Mexico (along with Tex Cobb). He had his own style and did privates. He trained and taught at the Filipino Academy in Torrence. He had a VERY analytical way of looking at things. I was wondering where he is... Tom Furman ...tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "big Joe A." Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:36:37 PDT Subject: eskrima: Tunnel of Death- True or False ? Mr. Frankl, First off let me say I hope this sparks off a good discussion and I am ready for all the hate mail. Bring it on. I would have to agree with you about the tunnel of death sounding like something from a bad kung fu flick. Although it is widely talked about. I personally think it is a crock of - ----. It sounds like one of those stories told by some of the so called "masters" that goes a little something like this. "Yes one day I was out late at night. I fought twelve people and thirteen ran away." If it is out there then how come no one other then the "masters" have seen it? Where are the pictures and such? Where is it located? Honestly what does a particular masters feats have to do with his art? Who cares what he did? I want to hear about the art not his biography. I want to discuss how to effectively use this angle or why this angle is more effective then that one . Not how many people he fought or killed. But that is just my opinion. Hope I didn't talk your ear off. And to those of you out there who think I am bad mouthing other styles or instructors I mean no offense I am just stating my opinion about the FMA community in general. The truth is out there you just have to dig through the myths and legends that have grown around the figures in the FMA community. Because when it comes down to it we are all just human and no amount of martial arts training will stop a 9mm or 12gauge in the hands of a kid who wants to take you out. In other words we all die. Your Friend in Training, Big Joe "The only constant in LIFE is Change." -N.B.S.- _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Loki Jorgenson Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 13:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: 2x2 hit by 2x4 and DBs on TV Forwarded on behalf of Marc Denny - ----------------------------------------------- A Howl etc: Hy wrote: > and my q's are: > > 1) What were the "rules" of the 2x2 knifefights? Was a guy "dead" after a > hit? > 2) If A & B were one team and C & D were the other team, A is engaged with > C and B with D, when B ran off from D and stabbed C in the back, why didn't > D tell C that B was coming for him? I understand about the tunnel vision of > C concentrating only on A and not seeing B, but where was D in all of this? > > My guesses: D was "dead" and could not talk or the noise level was REALLY > high. Rules?!? We don't need no stinkin' rules! ;-) Seriously, the knife is considered just a warm-up for the stickfights and there is a perennial problem with people acting unrealistically. One time I waved a real big real shiny and real sharp knife under everyone's nose during my pre-fight talk to remind people what a knife is and people did behave much more realistically that particular day. Also, for the fall Gathering I'm considering having everyone use those Japanese style hardwood edged and pointed knives instead of the rattan dowels. Those suckers can really hurt and maybe everyone will behave more realistically with them. Anyway, since the point is to experience and learn and there is no scoring anyway, when someone is "killed" he just keeps going. As for your second question, lets use "A & B" and "1 & 2" for greater clarity. Of course, 2 should have warned 1 of B's impending ambush, but frankly in most cases 2 was stupid and/or only thinking of himself-- rather like in real life. ;-) No doubt Animal has some good stories in this regard (NOT calling him stupid! just saying he must have observed it!) Changing subjects, Cindy has just informed me that the Fox News piece on our recent Gathering will be a feature piece on tomorrow (Thurs) evening's 10:00 News, with a preview on this evening's news. This probably will air only in LA or maybe San Diego as well. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #200 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.