From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #201 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 13 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 201 In this issue: eskrima: Re: rules of a 2x2 knifefight eskrima: Re: tunnel eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #200 eskrima: Cliff Stewart eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #199 eskrima: Suro Mike Inay in the Midwest/Skokie Demo. eskrima: tunnel of death / art eskrima: Tunnel of Death - Why Not? eskrima: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Higher_Consciousness_through_Harder_Contact_=A9=22?= Re: eskrima: eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:57:27 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: rules of a 2x2 knifefight The ultimate comment on rules in a knife fight comes from the movie "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid". 'Nuff said :-) ------------------------------ From: John Frankl Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: tunnel Thanks for the responses on both sides; I remain agnostic. John Frankl ------------------------------ From: "J H" Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:15:18 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #200 I hear ya' on playin cards closer to ones chest! I've heard that about him( P. Vunak). A big league Tang Soo Do guy( sorry, forgot your name!) from So. CA. told that he( P. Vunak) was pretty shifty when it came to story telling, and such. The events I heard of were from some PFS guys from No. CA. who had been in some bar brawls with him. They didn't say much about their own fighting, but they did say that he took control of the various situations pretty quickly. Now, whatever opinion one has about MA's Guros, Sifus, Kwanjangnims, etc. getting involved in bar room brawls on a regular basis is a different story. Most of the MA greats were brawlers. Lacoste, Cabales, Lee, Luke Skywalker, Van Damne( okay, the last 2 didn't belong there) were all crazy in their own ways. Wasn't it Musashi who said: "Philosophy is fine before and after, but not during a fight." That's a rough paraphrase; I forgot the literal translation. FMA Power!!! Fry Bread Boy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:57:51 EDT Subject: eskrima: Cliff Stewart There is a real nice article on Cliff Stewart, and "Within Arms Reach" technology in Massad Ayoob's Gun Annual. He goes over the use of the "bagpipe" technique to protect your client, or to deal with the bad guy. Mas Ayoob has an excellent piece on when to use a gun, when to use your hands, and when to use a knife. Stripping and weapon retention are also recovered. Cool stuff. Tom Furman....tcsno@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 02:23:32 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #199 eskrima: Re: TKD vs knife... .......................................................................... >> I wouldn't do that myself... >Very often, the simple act of defiance will make the difference in such a situation. Does that >make the training worthless? Hardly. It's what gave the good guy the frame of mind to fight >back and the physical conditioning to allow it. View the situation from the robber's point of view. He cases the joint, target: teenage girl, assessment: low threat potential, will intimidate easily, probably cry. The robber probably never attacked the girl, he threatens her. He stands still before her demanding money. She has a stationary target in his hand and he expects no retaliation. He is the easy target. Rather like a practice session on,"How to kick the knife out someone's hand". M.B. ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:55:47 EDT Subject: eskrima: Suro Mike Inay in the Midwest/Skokie Demo. Suro Mike Inay will be giving a seminar on Tuesday May 18 @ 7pm at the Rizal Center/Filipino American Council of Chicago 1332 W. Irving Park (off of Clark) in Chicago. Cost of the seminar is $ 25.00. E-mail me @ Sidney525@aol.com for more info. The following weekend he will be conducting a seminar in Green Bay, Wisc. May 22-23. For more information contact Jason Brigham @ (630) 289-5176 Also, On May 22, The Filipino Kali-Escrima Academy of Chicago will be doing a demonstration at the Skokie Festival of Cultures @ 5pm in Oakton Park, 4701 Oakton in Skokie. For more info. use the e-mail above. Thanks Sid "Vicious" Stein FKEAC ------------------------------ From: "Bodnar, Stephen A" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:18:29 -0400 Subject: eskrima: tunnel of death / art Tunnel of death.. could it exist., .does it exist? What about the blind princess. Or Lapu Lapu? Are we studying an ART or just a bunch of techniques? If an ART then by definition / an ART has : Science -action - mystery - love - intrigue. With out these there is no art..... Argue which is better method or art? Its your choice your belief. Do you believe in your techniques? Do you believe in your style? Do you believe in your self? Do you believe in your art? If you don't see it yourself does it not exist? Just some thing to think about. ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:08:11 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Tunnel of Death - Why Not? Big Joe wrote that he did not believe the "Tunnel of Death and other stories by some of the so called "masters" and personally thinks it is a crock of ...... In my opinion Big Joe's comments might be premature in the sense that he did not get the answers to his own questions: " If it is out there then how come no one other then the "masters" have seen it? Where are the pictures and such? Where is it located?" One must remember that good decisions are based on educated judgements. I agree with Big Joe about the so called "masters" that is why I always consider the source of information. Getting back to the Tunnel of Death, I think more research is required for an intelligent conclusion. Similar to the Tunnel of Death, 50 years from now will people still believe in the Holocaust, maybe not, but 50 years ago who could deny it, who can deny it now? More ammunition for thought, but I won't discuss it, but do believe - 500, 900 year olds, Jesus - the source - the Bible. Please excuse me if I swayed off topic. Getting back on subject, Big Joe also wrote: "Honestly what does a particular masters feats have to do with his art? Who cares what he did? I want to hear about the art not his biography. I want to discuss how to effectively use this angle or why this angle is more effective then that one." In my opinion a master's feats have very much to do with his art. Like a champion boxer, sprinter, or a spelling bee champion, their feats of victory are a result of their art or training. Also if you don't care what your master did then this may be a sign of disrespect. And if you don't care and don't respect then you may miss the true effectiveness of using the angle from your master. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:48:50 -0400 Subject: eskrima: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Higher_Consciousness_through_Harder_Contact_=A9=22?= "Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact ©" that is the credo of the Dog Brothers. This may have been discussed before but do participants at the Gatherings hold back their power strikes against other opponents? From what little I have seen on TV and in a DB videotape it appears little or no headgear is worn. Is the head an off limits target? Based on what I have seen in person, what I have felt from my instructor Gat Puno Abon, and the "stories" (Big Joe are you reading this?) of his past fights, a good shot to the head will stop if not end a fight. Now I understand what the credo means and is a very valid statement. But with no disrespect to Guro Marc Denny and the entire Dog Brothers association I think of the following when I think about Gat Puno Abon doing the striking: "Unconsciousness through Harder Contact" Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: > "Higher Consciousness through Harder Contact ©" that is the credo of the > Dog Brothers. > This may have been discussed before but do participants at the Gatherings > hold back their power strikes against other opponents? From what little I > have seen on TV and in a DB videotape it appears little or no headgear is > worn. Is the head an off limits target? Based on what I have seen in > person, what I have felt from my instructor Gat Puno Abon, and the > "stories" (Big Joe are you reading this?) of his past fights, a good shot > to the head will stop if not end a fight. Many people can take a power shot to the head with little reaction to it at the time. I've seen people get hit in the head -hard- with a monkey wrench only to run away rubbing their head. I suspect they were hurting later, but at the time they didn't even go down. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #201 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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