From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #206 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 17 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 206 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #205 [none] eskrima: knife control eskrima: FMA in Lexington? eskrima: "On Killing" eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Masson" Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:10:05 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #205 > The question is do any of you train to disarm against an unwilling > >opponent? if so how does your system train this? do you hold on to >the >opponents weapon with both hands anticipating that he will pull >his hand >away? Do you rely only on single hand grabbs to secure the >hand long >enough to disarm? Do you have a contingency plan at the >ready if your >opponent is successful at pulling his hand free? When >you achieve a disarm >do you allow the knife to hit the ground or do >you make it a rule to hold >on to the blade that you took >and use it? I look forward to any and all responses... Hmmm.. Great question.. And I'm sure we will be seeing lots of different responses to this one. Here's my $0.02 worth (And again I will qualify this with saying I have, thankfully, never had to use any of this theory in a real knife fight).. *smile* Okay.. That practical first.. from my Arnis Instructor.. who HAS faced a real knife on several occasions and had to disarm someone and been cut.. His approach has always been KEEP IT SIMPLE! He stresses the idea of getting out of the way and capturing with both hands ASAP and hanging on for dear life.. Keep the opponents weapon and your hands in front of you.. Get the situation to the ground and the weapon hand IMMOBILIZED.. his philosophy.. Either immobilize the weapon and weapon hand in a safe manner or capture and retain the weapon.. If you eject the weapon on a disarm then you will have to worry about your opponent (or his buddy) picking it up again... Now.. The more theoretical.. Peter brought back a concept from studying with some Serak players in Oregon that we really liked which is Hi/Lo.. Jason here on the list also uses this concept in his Doce Pares (Tip of the hat Jason... Thanks again for the class man!).. That is attacking the weapon arm at both a Hi Point and a Lo point. The concept as I understand it (and we discovered through experimentation) was to immobilize the arm in a joint lock which can be more effective than a grab (sweat can make the skin slipery). In our own training we typically vary the resistance level from friendly (here is a nice angle one.. thank you for intercepting my incoming attacke, please proceed to the disarm.. etc.) to mildly hostile (here is an angle one.. whoops sucker! Deaked you out and slipped in an angle two! THHHHPPPPTTTTT) to down right rude (Arrrghhh.. Come Get Some!).. I have also found that the expereince of doing disarms in tests and demos very enlightening because my partners and my adrenaline level is a lot higher (How is your head Peter? *grin* I STILL am sorry for that head throw in Moncton man... It was just.. THERE...).. In these cases my disarms tend to be less sophisticated and more big joint simple moves variety.. Whew... My experiences.. Hope you find it at least entertaining.. *grin* Ciao All! Rob Masson, Boston, MA ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "anthony gagliardo" Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:29:44 PDT Subject: [none] Hello to all, I am making a survey at this time for the Chicagoland area. I used to teach in California and I am looking to teach in Chicagoland.  The system I practice and taught is Laban Tulisan Eskrima. The system is from Luisiana, Laguna, Philippines. It is basically a bolo art medium to short range. My teacher is Master Ner Reodica, Jr. He wishes not to be called Grandmaster because he says that will always be his tatangs title. GM Ner Sr. passed on in 84. Since I just moved to Chicago, I'm interested in doing some workshops. Anyone interested please e-mail me. I'll post a little history of the system some time later. I have notes and want to make sure I give credit to the right individuals. Thank you Ray for posting this for me...ciao... Anthony T. Gagliardo Laban Tulisan Eskrima _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:35:03 -0600 Subject: eskrima: knife control Guro Dave Gould wrote: "Do you rely only on single hand grabbs to secure the hand long enough to disarm?" I was taught never to believe in single handed grabs against a knife. You must always have two points of control (i.e. two hands on the knife hand, one hand on the knife hand and another on the knife arm, etc.). Someone skilled with a knife can always re-angle to escape (or cut while being held) against a one-hand hold. At very least, they can use their second (free) hand to strip the hold. I've seen lots of stuff using one-hand grips that looks real pretty, but I don't believe it works against skilled opponents. Steve Wolk swolk@nexstar.com ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:53:34 -0400 Subject: eskrima: FMA in Lexington? I'll be visiting friends in Lexington, Kentucky over Memorial Day weekend and might be able to fit in some training time. I'm not familiar with the area, so I would like something as close as possible to the Univ of Kentucky (where my friend teaches). If anyone knows of a school near by, I'd appreciate hearing about it. TIA. Dave. ------------------------------ From: "J Kevin Curtis" Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:26:02 -0400 Subject: eskrima: "On Killing" Just finished a very interesting book titled "ON KILLING"....thanks to the ED poster(?) who recommended it. Very good book which examines this rarely touched upon subject. The book looks at killing in time of war, and in society. The author states that man has such a normal aversion to killing that only 15 to 20% of soldiers in W.W.II ever fire their weapons. At civil war battlefields they found muskets which were unfired, and which had been reloaded as many as 10 times on top of each other. But, through desensitization the military was able to raise this rate to 90-95%. They way they did this was by having the troops chant such things as "kill" every time their left foot while marching/running. They also switched from bullseye targets to silhouettes which fall down when hit. My question is... could we (martial artists) kill if the need arose? Do you think that we are doing a form of desensitization when we practice our knife drills? Is there a need for desensitization in martial artists? As an added note.... the author says that we as society are desensitizing our youth through violent movies and video games. I was always skeptical when I heard this argument before, but after reading this book and becoming aware that the military actually uses a version of the video game Doom to train it's troops. The author, Lt. Col. Grossman who appeared on Face the Nation(?) after the Columbine tragedy, said that the gunmen who were video game aficionados, reacted just the way the Game teaches....going for a head or torso shot and immediately moving on to the next target(to rack up points). They fired 15 times and got something like 12 headshots and 3 torso shots, as compared to recent case where NY police officers fired like a 100 times at close range only getting like 15% hits. Getting back to Kali, the author made the statement that when the blade came into play a slash was much more common. He feels that man has a much greater aversion to stabbing. Check out this book. I think there is some crossover to the martial arts. This book isn't a morbid as it might sound(not quite anyway); it is really a methodical(?) look at this subject. ~Kev ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #206 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.