From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #210 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 18 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 210 In this issue: eskrima: Randy Couture Seminar eskrima: Disarming Knives eskrima: Leo Fong eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #206 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #206 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #208 eskrima: Re: De-sensitization to Killing eskrima: Re: "De-sensitization" eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #208 eskrima: Quake emotions eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #208 eskrima: "Pangamot" System Re: eskrima: "Pangamot" System eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:32:39 EDT Subject: eskrima: Randy Couture Seminar Woof! Randy Couture will be doing a seminar at Solis Martial Arts Academy June 5th & 6th. This is Randy's first time in Texas and he is in awesome shape just winning the Nationals in Greco-Roman, and training for the World Team tryouts to be held June 24th. Download a flyer at my web-site (note due to space limitations we are considering limiting the number of participants so pre-registering is recommended) Alvis http://www.serve.com/solis/ ------------------------------ From: James Farthing Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:10:57 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Disarming Knives It's my belief that if some body is going to come at you with a knife then they're not playing games so you should use some kind of breaking technique. I believe that tjhis would be justifiable in a situation where you are threatened or attacked by a person armed with a knife. Some people may think it a little O.T.T. but that's personal opinion - this is what my personal opinion is. Any comments? (Don't worry if you disagree, tell me, and why) Thanks. In message <199905181830.OAA02694@hpwsrt>, eskrima-digest- owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes >From: Terry Tippie >Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:54:34 -0700 >Subject: eskrima: Re: Disarming Knives - -- James Farthing jamesf@cqms.demon.co.uk JFarthing@colt-telecom.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:24:16 EDT Subject: eskrima: Leo Fong Hello, I recently met Leo Fong at a seminar and he really made a good impression on me. I understand he trained with Angel Cabales and Remy Presas for a few years each, but that's about all I know about him. Anyone know or have any other info on him? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:55:55 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #206 >>Since I just moved to Chicago, I'm interested in doing some workshops<< Greetings, Mr. Gagliardo, and welcome to the Midwest...Go down to the Degerberg Academy and introduce yourself to Fred Degerberg (#'s in the book, but he is on Lincoln just off Montrose Ave). Fred is a helluva guy, and pretty much the focal point for martial arts goings-on in Chicago. You never know who you will run into at his academy, especially on the weekends...Fred had been sponsoring seminars featuring the top names in the martial arts world for many years, and is a connection you definitely should make here. Kim ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:09:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #206 >>The author said that as a society we are desensitizing our youth through violent movies and video games<< If you ever need a classic case of how society can become desensitized to violence, look no further than the 1st trial of the LA officers accused of beating Rodney King. The defense used this very tactic be showing the video of the beating over and over again to the jury, thus effectively dehumanizing the damage being inflicted. I venture to say that if the viewing of the tape had been limited, the outcome of the first trial would have been significanly different. The jury would still have been able to relate their feelings of horror at what was happening to King to a more just outcome. <Psychological profiles show WW2 vets more likely to experiance problems than Vietnam era vets. There were a higher percentage of draftees in WW2, the average age was almost 5 years younger and a greater percentage were poor in WW2. >> Again I find that interesting, I was under the impression that the direct opposite was the case, the age was five years older in WWII and that a social escape from poverty until recently was the military ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:45:25 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: De-sensitization to Killing Even today there still exist some healthy, but shall we say simpler societies, wherein the men are warm, nurturing fathers and husbands around their own lodge fires, and also take fiendish joy in horribly dismembering their enemies on the battlefield. Killing enemies used to be a normal part of human culture, and in some remote cultures, it still is. We are not being de-sensitized to killing. We have become over-sensitized to it. This is why the predators in our society have it so easy. Society is too big and jumbled. We don't know who is in our tribe and who are our enemies are until they are attacking us. I think that is why we have a youth gang problem. Their surroundings are so violent, they have to sort it out some how, so why not some arbitrary group of kids who more or less grew up together. At least that way they know of at least a dozen or so people who won't attack them. Any creature that intends to do harm to me or mine has just identified himself as being outside my tribe. Many primitive societies only considered members of their own tribe as being part of the human race, and their collective name for themselves simply means "the people", or " the human beings". True, there are always consequences for killing somebody's son or brother, but debilitating remorse seems a little overboard. I think if we find out where the parents of the Columbine killers were while their sons were building pipe bombs and nurturing homicidal hatreds for the bullies who oppressed them, we will know what caused that event. Maybe if those two kids had been students of Eskrima, they would have been able to deal with there enemies in a less random and cataclysmic manner. Three or four Eskrima brothers might just be able to discourage the defensive backfield from being beligerant aspholes. Steve Harvey ------------------------------ From: "Jeff T. Inman" Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:09:06 -0600 (MDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: "De-sensitization" You might want to check out the book "Achilles in Vietnam" by Jonathan Shay. I thought it was interesting and insightful. His premise is that the "berserker" warrior is a product of grief first, and that the "de-sensitization" is a survival mechanism when the grief is given no respect or honor. I'm sure it happened in other wars, too. He makes an interesting comparison between the experience of certain soldiers in Viet Nam and the Homeric Achilles of the Iliad. The berserker, he argues, is a guy who has lost a close buddy in warfare, and lives in a culture where there is no grieving for the dead. Regards, Jeff "Sleeping Dog" Inman jti@ncgr.org ------------------------------ From: "Robert Masson" Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:36:05 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #208 >From: "J Kevin Curtis" >I'm interested in the Digest members view on attacking on the low >line >with the knife. Often times when knife sparring, I cut low and >end up >getting countered. I get there first, but a good percentage >of the time I >receive a cut in return. Is it just a matter of >getting in more sparring >time, or do you guys do something magikal >to assure escaping unscathed? I >either go for the single direct >attack, or use the low attack in >combination, but I feel a >little "naked" once I'm down there. Is there some position I should >strive >to get my opponent into to allow myself more time to withdraw >from the low >posture? Do you try to check your opponent some how >before going low? >Well...what you guys think? Is this a low >percentage move....would you >attempt it in a one-on-one blade >confrontation(yeah....right....how often >does that happen :') ? Kevin, Sounds likeyou are already learning the first lesson of Knife Fights... You are going to get cut.. It sucks but the speed of the knife and the effectiveness of the edge make it highly likely that you will exchange cuts.. It sucks.. But.. You can improve your chances.. For me.. I have been experimenting with keeping in a pretty low stance thus reducing my available targets... I am a big guy 6'4" and if I stand up stright I become a walking talking target rich environment for a blade.. *lol* The low line is a tough one BECAUSE it tends to expose you to higher retailiations... I like coming in with a flurry of techniques to the middle and high lines keeping the opponent busy then, if they are falling back, dropping low with a low line cut then backing away or going totally defensive FAST. I got it to work really well last Thursday night and managed a clean cut on my opponent across the upper shin/lower kneecap.. try it and see if it works for you.. You may find that adjusting your posture to reduce your available targets and using burst footwork may increase hits vs. cuts in your favor. Regards, Rob Masson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ingo Bojak Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 01:43:13 +0200 (DFT) Subject: eskrima: Quake emotions On Tue, 18 May 1999 Ray Terry wrote: > The ~20% number is from WWI. ~40% in WWII. ~50% in the 'Korean Conflict'. > ~90% in Vietnam. Or something along those lines... > If this is true, it tells us that the video game theory is bunk: the first id 3D-slaughter game, Castle Wolfenstein, appeared on the market in the mid 80s, if I remember correctly. That's long after the Vietnam war. Personally I expect that military training has "improved" a lot on psychological methods which have little to do with playing video games and a lot to do with what you see in movies like "Full Metal Jacket". If there is a measurable effect induced by playing Quake-type games, and I'm always _very_ sceptical about results of any psychological experiment, then I don't think it's connected much to an emotional disconnection from the act of killing. The simulation quality of even Quake 3 Arena is very far from allowing the virtual experience of mass murder. What I can see happening is the setting up of reaction patterns (see a movement, aim, shoot) which may be triggered in a real life combat situation _before_ the emotional response is inhibiting the killing. After all something along those lines is usually an aim in the martial arts - "automatic" reactions that will carry the person through a fight, _in spite_ of emotional turmoil. My personal take on the emotional side of Quake type games, at least when played online against other human beings, is that they are more of a flashback into childhood than anything else. It has the flavor of a "cowboys and indians" game where instead of screaming "bang, bang, you are dead" you have to point the mouse and click. The particular variety I like to play (Capture The Flag - where two teams try to steal each others flag and bring it home to their own) makes this explicit - this _is_ a child's game, just played online by adults with rocket launchers... I would also like to point out that the average online Quaker is a university student or a person in a high tech job. Those are hardly the people with high averages of physical violence and I certainly never felt even remotely threatened at Quake LAN partys, except perhaps concerning the question whether there would be enough beer... I'm prepared to bet that the crime rate of the >1 million online Quakers is sub-average and particularily so concerning acts of physical violence. Ciao, Ingo - --- "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra ------------------------------ From: "Robert Masson" Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 16:44:16 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #208 >I have just recently started teaching Kempo and Lanada and Serrada >in a >TKD school in Ft. Lauderdale. A friend asked me if the recent >shootings >would have any effect on my ability to get students, I >honestly don't >know, any thoughts on this? As a rule I don't like >to teach sticks to >kids, do any of you teach kids? Yvonne, An interesting point and it may be an interesting barometer of the nation's response to this trajedy to see how Martial Arts Schools attendance is affected. My expereince is that for adult classes anyway, Attendance tends to spike after a particually violent incident occurs in a local area. People get "scared" and want to feel more in control and take a renewed interest in their skills in violent confrontations. But I don't know if the same logic applies for children. Personally I think we as a society would greatly benefit from more of our children taking the Martial Arts. I think that most schools teach children control and discipline and give them coping skills to deal with agression and violence from both external as well as internal sources. Having that avenue to vent off frustration and investing in their own self image gives them a much greater weopon against the forces that drive children to do the horrible things we have seen in CO. The last part of your posting was an interesting question. Should we teach children the stick arts. It's a tough question. I think the aspects of the arts we ned to transfer to children are the non-lethal aspects, the self defence and control aspects that give them a sense of empowerment over an agressor without burdening them with the responsibility of crippling or lethal techniques. And let's be honest, there is a burden in knowing those techniques as well as a great responsibility. What aspects of the FMA should we teach children? Short stick takedowns and controls are great.. Attacking the hand or foot to escape.. maybe siniwalli to enhance co-ordination, etc... Great stuff.. But giving them the knowledge to swing a stick hard at a soft head target is a scary thought... And forget about knife stuff... Ok.. I'm getting down off the Soap box now.. Ciao all Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: " Bad Karma " Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:25:50 -0700 Subject: eskrima: "Pangamot" System Winkles Randy D SSgt 12 AF/LGA wrote: #snip# > Randy Winkles > 2nd Dan > "Pangamot" System This ``Pangamot System''? It's a Philippine art that issues Japanese rank? Curious. - -----== Sent via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Easy access to 50,000+ discussion forums ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: "Pangamot" System > Winkles Randy D SSgt 12 AF/LGA wrote: > #snip# > > Randy Winkles > > 2nd Dan > > "Pangamot" System > > This ``Pangamot System''? It's a Philippine art that issues Japanese rank? > Curious. Doce Pares, Modern Arnis... Two more that use the Dan system for ranking. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #210 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.