From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #216 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 21 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 216 In this issue: eskrima: Re: video and overcoming inhibitors eskrima: tomorrow's oldtimers [none] eskrima: Killing in MA eskrima: Sinawali Jedi... eskrima: Newbie question eskrima: Mortal Kombat/Star Wars Episode I Connection eskrima: Dan Ranking, Escrima Summer Camp, List Announcement eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ingo Bojak Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 03:09:01 +0200 (DFT) Subject: eskrima: Re: video and overcoming inhibitors On Thu, 20 May 1999 John Pellitteri wrote: > I don't think anyone has posited that Quake (or other video games) > necessarily equals a predisposition, or an increased incidence of > violence. Rather, a desensitization and, as my post argued, a > dissociation that allows humans who don't think of themselves as killers > ...to kill. > If a desensitization and disscociation from killing doesn't lead to a higher average of violence, then what does it do? Does it increase the ability to make flower arrangements? > Just skeptical in general, or do you have a particular study in mind? > Skeptical of the results even if the study is sound? Just a bias > against psychology, or any experiments? > The human mind is the most complex object we know in the universe. Studying it will never be easy. Furthermore it is very hard for the experimenter to stay objective in studying humans. Finally there's nothing we have more preconceived notions about than what humans are and think. So my trust in psychology isn't big. > I'm not sure what you mean, so I'm having difficulty addressing this > point. > Simple. You say Quake players dissociate from and desensitize to the act of killing and thus become efficient at it. I say that's bunk and a Quake player will have just as many qualms about murdering somebody in real life as the average person. Quake is a game and people experience it as that. What could happen is that Quake players (or rather we are talking about the military program) have so internalized the reaction pattern of "see a movement, aim, shoot" that they will do so in real life _before_ the full magnitude of what they are doing hits them. Basically they kill and then think, whereas before they would have thought and then perhaps not killed. > I play Quake, and it seems very much like "the virtual > experience of mass murder" if, by "virtual" you're talking about > computers. > Oh, please, not in the least. Just because lots of computer players bit the virtual dust in the game doesn't mean it gives an experience which is even close to the real deal. I did some paramedic work, so I have seen a share of what real death and injury is like. Quake just isn't even close. > In other words, there's nothing that can be postitively transferred, > physically, from the act of mouse movement to martial arts. > But sure there is! I'm pretty certain Quake players would do excellent concerning anything involving visual and auditiory reactions as well as targetting. > I think the studies that Mr. Terry is referencing indicates this > unarguably. > Mr. Terry's numbers about the wars shows that the number of soldiers firing their guns has risen to 90% completely without the help of any video games. > It is simply a fact that the number of soldiers who fired their weapons > increased after the video training...there has to be a reason, don't you > think? > Being good at Quake teaches you to keep your weapon ready and fire it at anything that moves. In real life that can lead to killing the enemy simply by reacting. Ciao, Ingo - --- "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra ------------------------------ From: "Virginia Martial Arts" Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:39:00 -0400 Subject: eskrima: tomorrow's oldtimers >>Not many of them (old timers) left<< Its funny. These martial arts greats didn't invent martial arts, they've spent their lives honing their crafts. Thirty years from now, folks on the digest will be saying the same things about many on this list. Maybe you. Ya you, the one that never posts anything. You know I'm talking about you. - --- See you in the sticks, Dale ------------------------------ From: Grappler Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:34:09 -0400 Subject: [none] Greetings All ~ I just wanted to forward some thoughts from one of my students regarding this weekend's Doce Pares Seminar. I found it interesting as he is relatively new to the FMA and his perspective is refreshing.......... "Guro Dong Cuesta's seminar was non-stop excitement. From beginning to end, Master Dong impressed me with his skill, enthusiasm, humor, and endurance. He overflowed me with a wealth of information. Although I am new to the art, I managed to keep up with his down to earth personality and encouragement. He worked closely with everybody and made sure everyone was comfortable with each technique before moving on to the next. It was a great honor to practice with Master Dong. He presents himself to everyone with the characteristics of a Real Human Being. If the opportunity is presented, I would highly recommend everybody to work with Master Dong. He creates the atmosphere that would motivate anyone to grow and improve themselves to the next level." Sincerely, Stephen Lim ~ Student Executive Edge Martial Development Jason M. Silverman Executive Edge Martial Development North Quincy, Massachusetts Grappler@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~grappler/ ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:17:26 EDT Subject: eskrima: Killing in MA Just my 2cents, Perhaps as a woman I look at it differently but I beleive hit hard and voilently and then run like hell. I feel FMA is not the best intro to Martial arts in that there really isn't a code ( meaning bushido). Most people I teach are students or teachers of an other MA disipline, so I don't really run into to many problems with the do I or don't I kill. The history alone is one of kill or be kill and lose our land ecctra. My challenge is to get women to think about really hurting their attacker. With sticks, you are being attacked with a weapon, that makes it a kill or be killed situation. On an aside note, I have been attacked and defended myself but I was throwing up for an hour later. As long as you have a physical reaction after violence like that I don't beleive you are desensitized. Peace Yvonne ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:30:04 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Sinawali Jedi... From: Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:33:57 -0300 (ADT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Cool weapons in cool movies... > The ending fight between Darth Maul and the two Jedi (Liam and Ewan) was > phenomenal!! Not only was it very fast and crisp, but there was a *very* > FMA flavor to the way that the Jedi used their blades; ..... I agree with Mike. It is an awesome movie and great fighting scene. According to the StarWar website, Liam and Ewan were well training enough to go free form in the movie. It is very fast. can't wait to see the slow mo on video. At one point, Darth Maul's two ended light saber was cut in half, could you imagine if he ended up with two light sabers, one in each hand, using sinawali techniques. I would trade a million Eskrima sticks for two eskrima light sabers. Peter Lee Very nice, Peter!! That's interesting about Liam Neeson and Ewan Mcgregor... I didn't realize just how hard that they had trained... but it definitely lent a very fluid feel to the fight... kudos to those guys!! That's funny; my roommate and I walked away from the movie thinking the exact same thing... "Wouldn't it be great if Darth Maul started double saber fighting?" This led to our further hope that Guro Inosanto should have a small cameo in the next film as a double - saber fighting Jedi... how incredible would that be? Of course, he would have to reenact his epic fight from "Out for Justice", with Steven Seagal coming in as an Italian Lord of the Sith.... :) Mike Worth ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:31:05 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Newbie question Hi Ruud, You wrote, <> Now I train in judo and whack! It is a hell of an impact art. Those throws the knock the stuffing into you. Ive done Muay Thai, Boxing and many arts that have the reputation of being tough and I rate judo up there. Being thrown gives you a conditioning to blows that few others give you. The ne-waza gives you ground conditioning and that necessary ground breath. What it doesn't give you is point blows to certain targets and certain targets don't want conditioning either. This being new to you will be uncomfortable but the more time you spend at it the greater the rewards. The nature of the judo fight means that you are probably square on to your opponent and so you need to angle your stance maybe more to close down the area available to your opponent. If you are taking hard blows in training then calm down. If discomfort still remains with contact see a doctor. There might be another reason. After 9 years of judo you should be physically fit for the punishment but hey! Don't sit on the laurels! Hope that helps pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:38:52 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Mortal Kombat/Star Wars Episode I Connection The last episode of Mortal Kombat Conquest will be on this weekend. For those who missed the skills of Master Sultan Uddin of IESA in a previous episode this is a chance to see him again. On another note, Master Uddin worked with Mr. Ray Park, the guy who's portraying Darth Maul in Episode I. In the movie MK Annihilation, Master Uddin fought against Park in the temple, where Park was the stunt-double for James Remar (Raiden) . Mr. Park is from the UK and has a Wushu background. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Jerome Barber" Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:08:56 EST Subject: eskrima: Dan Ranking, Escrima Summer Camp, List Announcement > ------------------------------ > > Doce Pares, Modern Arnis... Two more that use > > the Dan system for ranking. > > I did not know this. How did they come to adopt this convention? > **************************************** Actually the International Modern Arnis Ranking struture under Professor Remy Presas, uses the terms "lakan" for males and "dayang" for females who have attained there black belts. This is then accompanied by a number such as isa, dalawa, tatlo etc., with the 10th degree or sampau level reserved for Professor Presas. I can not comment on the Doce Pares system, because I do not have the necessary information. Sifu/Punog Guro Tom Bolden will be conduction an Escrima Summer Camp, on Saturday July 10 and Sunday July 11 in Poughkeepsie, NY. The camp fee is listed as $60 for either day and $105 for both days. For more information you can contact the camp organizers at either or Sifu/PG Bolden, will be teaching the Pancipanci Eskrima System with the connections to CHA-3 Kenpo and Modern Arnis. Pancipanci eskrima is a dynamic, fluid and powerful FMA system and PG Bolden has 36 years of MA experience to put behind his instructional program. There is a brand new FMAs discussion list forming and people can subscribe at: Sincerely, Dr. Jerome Barber ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #216 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.