From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #218 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 23 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 218 In this issue: eskrima: this animal... eskrima: Armed teachers and dastardly Brits eskrima: Training Dummy Question eskrima: Re: Vietnam, England, Britain, n stuff eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #217 eskrima: Re: no code in fma? eskrima: James Bowie Part III eskrima: Vietnam, etc. eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1050 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Truscott Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:58:38 +0100 Subject: eskrima: this animal... ran across this quote the other day attrib. to anon: "Cet animal est tres mechant; quand on l'attaque il se defend."("This animal is very mischievous: when it is attacked it defends itself.") Anybody know from where it comes? It certainly describes a lot of people I know! Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:00:37 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Armed teachers and dastardly Brits A Howl etc: FYI: Massad Ayoob, the use of lethal force/gun expert has a piece on the editorial page of yesterday's Wall Street Journal suggesting allowing/encouraging teachers to conceal carry guns in school. British/English: I think it may have been my post mentioning the English giving Amerindians in upstate NY smallpoxed blankets that triggered a good natured mini-rant, so please allow me to say that in American usage English and British are interchangeable, and if I understand it correctly now, British includes the Scots and Welsh, whereas English does not? Thus the complaint is that the blame responsibility for the deed should have been shared by the Scots and Welsh as well? ;-) As to why the English/British are so often villains in American movies: it may be that a) they are white, so there are no PC charges of racism-- Hollywood is INCREDIBLY PC these days-- I was at a dinner party where a woman was criticized for letting her daughter see Disney's "Sleeping Beauty" because of its "anti-feminist message"! b) during the British Empire some rather dastardly deeds were done c) England being our principal cultural father, portraying the English as evil villains is a way for liberals continuing to undermine much of what has made the US country that it is, and d) there not being too much left in the way of social norms in the US these days against which to rebel, the impression of English cultural superiority triggers a latent inferiority complex which. This past week a TV show I usually enjoy, "Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect" was done in England in front of an English, (should I say British here?) audience and with British/English guests. What a pleasure! Instead of the frequent shrieking contests of actors and chattering heads to which the show sometimes descends in front of its usual LA audience, on the nights I watched the conversation was consistently intelligent, with people able to disagree civilly and with opinions based upon some semblance of fact and rationality. I'd be delighted if the show were to continue broadcasting from England/Britain. Instead its back to actors who confuse scripts with life. What a country! We even had Meryl Streep testify in front of a Congressional Committee once on pesticides (the Alar scare a few years back) because she had played a farmer's wife! Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Rick Lindquist Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:13:41 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Training Dummy Question I'm looking at using a dummy in my training and wonder about others' experience with what's out there. Any words of wisdom? I've looked at Kelly Worden's "Silent Fighter" and another type, "The Warrior", which can be used with stickwork, but am leaning towards something I can practice WC/JKD trapping sets on, such as a Mook Jong or JKD type wooden dummy. Any specific comments on companies, price and product quality particularly would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rick Lindquist ricklind@oregon.uoregon.edu ------------------------------ From: "Paul Taylor" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 01:13:10 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Vietnam, England, Britain, n stuff > From: tenrec > Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:21:42 +0100 > Subject: eskrima: Vietnam, England, Britain, n stuff > > Brian wrote: > > > Off tangent Q: Are Lords = U.S. Senators? (Private email me on this if > you can)... > No, Cromwell sorted this out a couple of hundred years ago, boring answer sent as per. request. > Glad to hear it...but 'splain somethin' to me boyo: what are the English > trying to accomplish in Northern Ireland? > Without getting into the history and virtues of the various governments I don't think that you wish a full explanation of a 1500 year argument. It should be noted that several referendums has established that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland wish to remain British and when they don't I'm sure the British government will give them their independence or whatever the majority want. > Ja, you noticed that too...I think it began with Disney's version of The > Jungle Book" cartoon where they used George Sanders as Khan, the evil > tiger...I have two theories: one is that perhaps Americans like the > villains to SOUND cultured, and English accents are somehow associated > with that. The other is that English accents also sound kind of fruity, > so this triggers a subliminal homophobic message within the average > male (16-34) viewer: if the villain sounds English, he must be gay...if > he is gay, he must be evil (and can therefore justfiably be destroyed by > the guy with the normal accent)...comments, anyone? > Just that our political sexual and drug scandals always involve penetration and inhalation. > Quite alright...I think your accent sounds cultured... You've obviously never been the Liverpool! > > tenrec > tenrec@avcorner.com Paul ------------------------------ From: "David Eke" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:39:17 +1000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #217 >>While we are on the subject of history can someone tell me what on earth America >thought they were accomplishing in Vietnam. What could be more brutal and >>homicidal than dropping millions of ton's of bomb's, agent orange,napalm >>cluster bomb's and mine's on peasant farmer's,men,women and children? It wasn't just America, there were other countries involved. I know a lot of people scoff at the Domino theory now but in the early 60's in countries like Australia it was particularly believable. In a space of 12 years Australia had been involved in 3 military conflicts, the Korean War, Malayan Emergency 1950-1960, Indonesian Confrontation 1964-1966 and rightly or wrongly Vietnam was seen as being an important link. It's easy now to look back in hindsight and say it was all wrong but in 1967 when my brother when over there I am sure he felt he was doing the right thing. No one went out of their way to attack non combatants, either on the ground or in the air. (I hope no-one is going to bring up the crap about My Lai because that type of thing happens in all wars). Operation Rolling Thunder concentrated on Industrial and Military targets in the North. Innocents get caught up in wars and people die. What is the difference between the carpet bombing of the North and the dropping of the A-Bomb on Nagasaki, or the fire bombing of Tokyo. IMO nothing, except in the end you lost the war in Vietnam. BTW Agent Orange was not delivered as a bomb but a spray (from the air and ground)and probably did more damage to our own soldiers then it did to the enemy. > as proof of a kill...perhaps similar to the cutting of ears >during the Vietnam era... What really pisses my off is that people see this crap in the movies and all of a sudden everyone did it. Most soldiers would have stayed disciplined and not done this type of thing. During WW2 some Burmese soldiers would eat the heart of a dead comrade as a sign of respect. David ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 00:16:03 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: no code in fma? from:leighans@aol.com you bet your butt there is a code in fma......survival........i guess our instructors have similar thoughts...i was always taught that the best defence was not being there in the first place...in other words....run.....if that is no longer an option, then we have to stand our ground for how ever long it takes to create an opening to escape or defeat the assailant........this too, is a woman's pov........ciao ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 11:38:12 -0700 Subject: eskrima: James Bowie Part III Continuing from Jeff Cooper's "Fireworks": "The Maddox-Wells duel of 1827 was the occasion of the next accepted chapter of the Bowie legend. This was a pistol confrontation on the Vidalia Sandbar near Natchez. Political factionalism was running high at the time, and the principals repaired to the scene of the encounter accompanied by numerous seconds, all of whom were armed and pugnacious. James Bowie and a Major Norris Wright, who had been on the verge of armed combat once before, were seconds on opposite sides. Details were confused, but after a bloodless exchange of shots between the principals, a general melee ensued. Bowie was hit by at least two pistol balls and , as he lay on his back, Wright thrust him through the chest with a sword cane. The thin blade was deflected by the sternum without penetrating the thoratic cavity, and as Wright tried to free it, Bowie seized the sword-wrist and jerked his enemy forward onto the point of his now famous knife. He then struggled to his feet and attacked his remaining foes. Here again is the killer's determination to drive nerves and muscles to a conclusion, with no thought of evasion, disengagement or retreat. This event added further luster to the legend, and was duly reported in the baroque language of the contemporary press. "It was Bowie, terrible and bloody, scorning wounds, a steel shard protruding from his chest, yet striding, in spite of a crippled leg, with beserk fury into the teeth of pistol fire, animated only by his deadly ferocity, who drove the Crain party into retreat. To the beholder he seemed almost superhuman; a terrifying and invincible Achilles, an avenging demon, the knife he wielded like a modern Excalibur, irresistible against any human defense." Stay tuned for Part IV... "Winning isn't everything. The preparation to win is." Vince Lombardi KD ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Vietnam, etc. Folks, lets keep the chatter on the topic of FMA. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #218 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.