From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #227 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 31 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 227 In this issue: eskrima: Re: escrima sticks eskrima: Re: Feinting in throws/takedowns eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #226 eskrima: moving to New Orleans eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #226 eskrima: Re: Good Sticks eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #226 eskrima: Japanese FMA digest eskrima: Feinting Will Lead To Trouble eskrima: Re Sticks eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-eskrima Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:23:01 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: escrima sticks Tim asked: "I'm sure this has been discussed here many times, but I'm new to the FMA list, as well as being a novice student of Kali. I was perusing the various sites that sell sticks and I'm wondering if any of you have strong opinions about what is the "best" type of training stick? The rattan sticks just don't seem to be holding up very well. What about the Ironwood, Cocobolo, High Impact Plastic and other man-made sticks? Any suggestions?" Good God man what are you hitting that you need the death sticks? *lol* As for various training sticks I have put in my time looking for new and better practice and training weapons and I keep comming back to the rattan. Rattan is so cheap that it is hard to worry about chewing up a stick. Not to mention if you move to a hardwood stick you will be chewing up your partner's sticks as well as your partners. As a novice you might want to spar with a practice stick made of pvc, foam and duct tape. (I know some people on this list claim these sticks break in dangerous ways but we haven't noticed this at our school. maybe it is the construction but it's definately not for lack of lumping up on each other) These sticks whip a bit and should not be used between experienced practitioners, but they are a good introduction to being hit. In time you can move up to rattan for sparring when you feel up to it and have some experience defending yourself. In conclusion, keep your traing real; stay natural; and burn up the rattan while training. Love that smell of rattan... it smells like victory. Phil aka the Rhino-Style ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Feinting in throws/takedowns Pushing or pulling someone in another direction from the way you intend to throw isn't what I would call a "feint." A common Indonesian term for this is "petjut." Petjut literally means "whip," but the term is commonly used in martial arts also to describe a whipping action (which, when done with a person's body can cause a "whiplash" effect). As such, if I'm going to take someone down on their right side and I first push them to the left, then yank them back to the right for the takedown, the energy of that "whiplash" is going to be transferred into the takedown ... also, when I push them to the left, many people's common reaction is to try to push back ... hense they add even more energy to my takedown when I reverse direction. I know Judo and Aikido use similar principles, and I would guess that Shuai Chao (and any throwing/sweeping art) does as well. Mike === Mike Casto Assistant Instructor Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali/ 5099 Springboro Pike Indonesian Pentjak Silat Dayton, OH 45439 Phone: (937) 293-5520 URL: http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: owner-eskrima Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:56:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #226 In a message dated 5/30/99 10:07:47 AM Central Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << >We start off with some Sayau's or sets that teach basic weapon >handling >skills and coordination and then move into Siniwalli drills to develop >rhythem, timing, power, strength, body mechanics, >etc. Then onto the practice of some two man drills used for >further >development of targeting and basic understanding of the use >of the staff >for sparring(counter for counter). Finally into free >style fighting with >and without body armor or padding. >It is an effective tool for developing a host of attributes not >to mention how fun it can be. >Guro Harrell >> This is only my 2nd time talking with the list. I respect the knowledge you all have to offer. I am interested in the staff training you have combined with your Kali training. I too enjoy the staff, but have not seen any training films (video's) associated with Kali which I can integrate into our training. Is there any recommendations out there? Guro Harrell, do you have a video on your staff training? I would be interested in "Give and take drills," which flow into disarms similar to Sumbrado training. I would like to take it a step further, and flow into a complete disarm/submission position. The connection of the staff, the Jo, the escrima stick, and the Pocket stick should all be integrated I feel. I am hungry for information and anyone's suggestions. I study a blend of "Mike Knauffs (student of Inosanto) numerado/ sumbrado/Hubud training progression, with Modern Arnis and JKD principles integrated throughout the curriculum. Dave AKR Kali ------------------------------ From: "James Wilson" Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:53:32 -0400 Subject: eskrima: moving to New Orleans I'll be moving to New Orleans next month and was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good eskrima or silat school in the area. Thanks, James jameswilson@prodigy.net ------------------------------ From: "J H" Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:58:12 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #226 Hello! I was wondering if any of you knew of any Tagalog( or Simbalese) forums that I could subscribe to??? Thanks in advance, Fry Bread Boy p.s., If any of you are in the Silicon Valley area and interested in attending a Pow Wow, cruise down to Casa de Fruta this weekend. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: owner-eskrima Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 18:46:41 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Good Sticks http://www.bloodsport.com/index1.htm http://www.crl.com/~mjr/stickman.html ------------------------------ From: Robbie Trinidad Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 09:50:01 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #226 Hello, On 30-May-99, Ray Terry wrote: > From: Ray Terry > Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: eskrima: Sticks > > > list, as well as being a novice student of Kali. I was perusing the various > > sites that sell sticks and I'm wondering if any of you have strong opinions > > about what is the "best" type of training stick? The rattan sticks just don't > > seem to be holding up very well. What about the Ironwood, Cocobolo, High > > Impact Plastic and other man-made sticks? Any suggestions? > > I personally like the very hard and light rattans. I got some from Lionheard > (now Datu ??) that I liked a lot. I prefer the Tumalim variety of rattan. It has more mass than Palasan and I've been told that it's not as brittle as Labsica. > But any rattan will fray so you'll find > that wrapping the last third in tape is a common event. I like the clear > light wide tape used to tape a box closed... I use duct tape. The comment that duct tape holds the universe together also holds for sticks. The sticks last 3 to 4 times longer than normal. I wrap around 3/4 of the stick. I keep the grip area untaped as I prefer to feel the wood when practicing. My nephew covers the stick all the way. > The harder woods, e.g. Bahi, are great, but they will make your partner's > rattan sticks fray sooner. Bahi tends to resonate when hit with a hard object. My Bahi sticks have a D flat ring to them. :) I prefer Kamagong over Bahi. You can soak them in water to repair any damage done to the sticks. > A former member of this forum makes nice plastic > sticks. They will last forever, but again they are hard on your partner's > sticks. Are they still available? I can't find any such thing over here in the Philippines. - -- ][=====================================================================][ ][ Roberto B. Trinidad | E-mail: deadlock@mozcom.com ][ ][ Freelance 3D/2D GF/X artist | My home page is at: _ ][ ][ & desktop videographer | http://www2.mozcom.com/~deadlock/_ // ][ ][ Quezon City, Philippines | Member: Team AMIGA \X/ ][ ][---------------------------------------------------------------------][ ][ "I know the answer! The answer lies within the heart of all ][ ][ mankind. The answer is twelve? 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Someone, somewhere, has to have at least one bone to pick with something in the article. Come on guys let's hear it! ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 01:38:49 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Feinting Will Lead To Trouble I was going to chill this weekend because others wrote some valid statements regarding feinting but Guro Don Edwards mentioned my name in his recent post about the same subject. In ED # 225, Dave Huang wrote: "Feinting is effective if the other guy isn't that experienced. A lot of really good people, I think, treat the feint a "real attack" and deal with it accordingly." In ED # 226, Tom Ochs wrote: "In summary, I think that feints are good against novices, do not aid in the progression of an attack, are a subset of the bag-of-tricks known as misdirection, and are not generally efficient." My two cents: Feinting should not be in one's toolbox. A seasoned Fighter will make mince meat out of you if you waste your time trying to feint. Swinging the stick should be a full commitment otherwise when you feint for that brief moment you will be an open target. And if you are fighting someone with better skills than you - you will get hit. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 12:00:52 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re Sticks Tim asks..... I'm new to the FMA list, ..... what is the "best" type of training stick? The rattan sticks just don't seem to be holding up very well. What about the Ironwood, Cocobolo, High Impact Plastic and other man-made sticks? Any suggestions? Ray Terry says: A former member of this forum makes nice plastic sticks. <<0>> Id have sent Tim the stuff I have copied from Jeffs website from a long time ago but we didn't get your email address. Contact this person Tim. Jeff Finder's STICKMAN Catalog...and other Escrima products:stickman@autobahn.org Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 07:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #227 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.