From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #229 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 1 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 229 In this issue: eskrima: sticks eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #227 Re: eskrima: Article: Filipino Martial Tradition eskrima: re: sticks eskrima: Feinting eskrima: re: rattan, hardwood, and blades eskrima: Feinting can work but......... eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-eskrima Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:15:46 EDT Subject: eskrima: sticks Greetings all I realy enjoy your forum, I noticed questions on using P.C.V. pipe for sticks. Having broken a lot of PVC in practice " 3/4 or 1" no pads recomend only using only schedual 40 or better. Using 200 or lower will give you jagged breaks. john ------------------------------ From: owner-eskrima Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 18:18:58 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #227 >>My two cents...feinting should not be in your toolbox. A seasoned fighter will make mince meat out of you if you waste your time trying to feint<< Well, Al, with all due respect, I have to strongly disagree with you on this one. I've been around in the FMA for 20+ years, in a style that stresses "getting in the water" (to steal a phrase from you-know-who), and have worked with such "seasoned" fighters as Mike Inay and Jimmy Tacosa, not to mention Alan McLuckie, Rob McDonald, Ben Berry, and Gary Bowldes. All are experienced fighters, and taught the feint as just another tool in the fighter's repetoire. The feint is like any other tactic; not to be discounted, and nice to have there when you need it. As a former boxer, I was also taught the importance of the feint to disrupt your opponent's rhythm; it's a great tactic to feel out your opponent, test his reactions, and will help you land the big shot. Like any other tactic, it has it's place. Kim ------------------------------ From: Ron Harris Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Article: Filipino Martial Tradition > From: Robbie Trinidad > Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:05:54 +0800 > Subject: eskrima: Article: Filipino Martial > Tradition (fwd) > Comments are welcome. > *** Start of Article *** > FILIPINO MARTIAL TRADITION > by Pedro Reyes > > I hear that on the Internet, there is acrimonious > debate on questions such > Arnis is a Military Art, not Civilian Dueling is certainly not military, but rather civilian because no military commander wants his soldiers to be killing one another off. This practice inhibits combat readiness and decimates morale. The British abhorred it and banned it ultimately, but not those "Spanish." > Arnis Adapts to Civilian Weapons Does'nt this make Arnis civilian? Certainly, there is no organized warfare after the Spanish ban, except for occasional insurrection and of course, revolutionaries around 1898. Guerilla warfare (i.e., NPA, MNLF) uses all weapons, military and/or civilian. Is it Arnis? > Arnis is Tribal, not Familial The tribe is the larger family structure. Strategic hamlets were successful in the Vietnam War. Life is organized around the village in agricultural society. In the Philippines today, everyone still makes their business knowing other's business. Not impersonal... > Each Arnis Master is Sui Generis Well, yes! In the end, it matters what you know and what you can do. That is true everywhere-ultimately. Now should want to know a particular style or school then credentials might matter. They are brand names much like Chevrolet automobiles. What good is having lots of college degrees for example? Short cut way, measure of ability, etc. American society places an importance on credentials: more so than Philippines? You call someone by title, e.g., Engineer so-and-so, Doctor what's-his-name, Attorney whachamacallit, etc. How many Arnisidors have a uniform with their rank? > A Student Becomes a Master Sure! This is the age of self-initiation. That is a fine tradition. I love it. I was watching some guys from the same school. One had a orange uniform with black and white stripes. Another had a blue uniform with white and navy stripes. Same school. Way kool! > Arnis tradition is Open I worship the Goddess! Does God have sex? Ask her. Perhaps this is why Arnis practitioners fight among themselves so much. Each one is doing it his way... > A Different Enlightenment I don't know about unconditioned heart. There are so many ways in which we would say, "That is Arnis. No, that is not Arnis." So, there is not complete chaos. This was a very interesting article and I love reading this stuff. Goddess! I feel like a real civilian... Ron _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Virginia Martial Arts" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 21:33:31 -0400 Subject: eskrima: re: sticks <> I love using rattan. If I can get two for the price of one, better yet! Speaking as a truly impartial martial artist, I just love the ones at www.kalieskrima.com. Epstein's Ma ------------------------------ From: Michael Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 19:54:04 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Feinting I read with interest the recent thread on the subject of feinting. I believe that feinting can be a valuable tool, but like most tools it is often misused. A beginner will often feint as a feeler to attempt to draw the opponent out or expose weakness or strategy. It is often used in a solitary attempt with improper body mechanics. Tuhon Bill's point about a feint being used as a part of a series of offensive techniques is very accurate. It can be inserted in an offensive series which will cause the opponent (hopefully :) ) to react, so that useing proper body mechanics and follow up will place you in the superior position. Of course, like any strategy or technique, depending on it working or over complication will most often result in failure. Regards Michael ------------------------------ From: jmfrankl Date: Tue, 1 Jun 99 00:33:06 -0400 Subject: eskrima: re: rattan, hardwood, and blades Tuhon Bill McGrath wrote: >I have a theory that one of reasons the techniques of Filipino martial arts >are so quick, fluid and practical is the emphasis on training with rattan >sticks. The theory states that the FMA's are so good because Filipinos both >had rattan available to them and were forced to train with it because of the >Spanish ban on long swords. > >Rattan has two main benefits. Being lighter and far less dense than a >hardwood stick of the same diameter, accidental contact with rattan is less >likely to break the bones of your training partner's than a hardwood like >komagong or bahi. An added benefit of rattan is its ability to absorb shock >rather than transfer it into your joints. I was told many years ago by >Grandmaster Gaje that constant contact weapon to weapon with hardwood sticks >would lead to joint problems. Rattan was for training and Bahi or Kamagong >was for fighting he told us. Tuhon Bill, I have a question (or two) here. Do you, or Tuhon Gaje, have any opinions about possible negative effects of training with light rattan and then fighting with a heavy stick or blade? Fatigue, the shock you write of, different feel, etc. would all seem to be unavoidable and disadvantageous when actually fighting. Also, I notice in many modern practitioners who are not used to the blade that round rattan tends to encourage less-than-ideal alignment when going to a blade or flat stick. Any thoughts? Thanks, John Frankl ------------------------------ From: "brian and kathy" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:49:00 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Feinting can work but......... From what I have experienced feinting can work ,BUT it must be a serious attempt to hit so as to force the opponent to respond in the manner you want him to,and has to be used sparingly. Brian ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #229 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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