From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #230 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 2 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 230 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Sticks eskrima: Feinting Once Again Re: eskrima: Feinting Once Again eskrima: Re:a note on feinting eskrima: Mook Jong... eskrima: Robbie's Article eskrima: looking for john jacobo eskrima: training with heavy and light eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 08:40:33 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Sticks Tim says: >I'm sure this has been discussed here many times, but I'm new to the FMA >list, as well as being a novice student of Kali. I was perusing the various >sites that sell sticks and I'm wondering if any of you have strong opinions >about what is the "best" type of training stick? The rattan sticks just don't >seem to be holding up very well. What about the Ironwood, Cocobolo, High >Impact Plastic and other man-made sticks? Any suggestions? Rattan sticks are nice in that they fray rather than splintering. They also don't destroy others' rattan sticks as quickly as something harder. But if you want really durable ones I'd recommend taking a look at the latest either Aiki Journal or Aikido today. There was an article in one of them comparing different sorts of wood for use in bokken and jo. Some of the exotic hardwoods like Ironwood and Cocobolo were not very good. They tend to shatter. The best by far was hickory. Ash, a favorite (and cheap) wood often used in tool handles was not bad either. ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:40:38 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Feinting Once Again Kim (I would have liked to answer you privately but you did not include your email address), I too have been around the FMA for 20+ years (Modern Arnis, Pekiti-Tersia, Garimot) and with all due respect to you I think you missed my point. "Seasoned" fighters as Suro Mike Inay, Jimmy Tacosa, etc. may have taught the feint as another tool in a fighter's repertoire but I am sure they also taught when one should not use it - against experienced fighters. Feinting may work for a boxer or at close to medium range for stickfighting but it is not a sure thing. In long range or largo mano conditions it will be useless if you are fighting someone experienced. To conclude, Feinting will only work against novices period. So will everything else. Against seasoned fighters it will not. Do we train to fight the novice or the seasoned fighter. And to quote someone else " How we train is how we fight". So if feinting is your cup of tea then fine, I will stick to plain old water. BTW, Kim, if I may ask the question that has repeatedly been ask in many a kung fu movie: "What is your style?" Thank you. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Feinting Once Again > To conclude, Feinting will only work against novices period. So will > everything else. Against seasoned fighters it will not. Do we train to > fight the novice or the seasoned fighter. And to quote someone else " How > we train is how we fight". So if feinting is your cup of tea then fine, I > will stick to plain old water. Perhaps you need to define what you mean by feint. In my mind a feint is a movement to get you to react. Experienced or novice, you WILL give some reaction. It might be something I can use, it might not. A feint is not a committed movement, I will know that but you will not. A feint is not a sacrifice. A sacrifice is a completely committed techniqued intended to connect if you stay there or to miss if you react. It is used to setup your opponent for your second or third attack. Commonly used in Karate-like arts. A feint is useful in a stickfight. A sacrifice is also useful in a stickfight, but perhaps less so... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: LeighanS@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:46:01 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re:a note on feinting from:leighans@aol.com a favorite feint within the sca is to attempt to deliver an overhead downward blow, then as the person attempts to block with their shield, a witik is then delivered, striking the head...it is fun...it is annoying too when you are on the receiving end of it.....ciao ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Mook Jong... Has anyone used Datu Worden's "Silent Fighter". I am interested in upgrading our training area and am looking for knowledgeable feedback. We use a Mook Jong for attributes training and anyos, it's just a little tough on beginners (knuckle strikes & finger jabs!) Comments? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Remy Sticks Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Robbie's Article Robbie Great article. Two things to consider. After the Spanish ban on weapons some turned to the rattan because it was available and could be found easily (you don't find swords, bolos, etc...just laying around the jungle.) Just as in a pinch you might be able to find a stick (I know it won't be perfectly balanced or be your ideal length, but I am talking about your back being to the wall) or suitable substitute, ie metal or plastic pipe etc. The second thing is, You stated that archery is a step backwards. In addition to the obvious physical skill (however esoteric) archery will improve your concentration, focus, and breath control. Also some of the same skills you would learn from practice with a gun you would gain from archery, and the neighbors won't complain as much. Just my humble opinion Sticks _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Vincent Bollozos" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:48:24 PDT Subject: eskrima: looking for john jacobo john jacobo please contact via email. i am from the toronto chapter of bakbakan and need to get a hold of you on behalf of ramon. thanks vince ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 04:16:05 +0100 Subject: eskrima: training with heavy and light Herr Frankl wrote: Tuhon Bill, I have a question (or two) here. Do you, or Tuhon Gaje, have any opinions about possible negative effects of training with light rattan and then fighting with a heavy stick or blade? Fatigue, the shock you write of, different feel, etc. would all seem to be unavoidable and disadvantageous when actually fighting. Also, I notice in many modern practitioners who are not used to the blade that round rattan tends to encourage less-than-ideal alignment when going to a blade or flat stick. Any thoughts? Pardon my being a buttinski, but IMHO: 1. If you must use a heavy, hardwood stick as your carry weapon of choice, then you should practice with at least 40-50% of the time to get used to the feel of it. 2. Generalization coming: Note that not ALL techniques are interchangeable between the blade and the cane. If your school does not emphasize this, take the time to figure out which tech. goes better (is safer to the user, optimizes the effectiveness of the particular weapon) with which. Also, practice with the appropriate weapon or training version thereof (wooden/dummy bolo for bladed techs, etc.) 3. As an interesting variation: reserve one day (perhaps in a month, or more frequently) for "available weapons practice." Prepare everyday objects: a rolled-up newspaper and magazine, a length of pipe, a length of reebar, an umbrella, a simulated icepick, etc. Practice your techs using the different weapons...this exercise can be educational, and at the very least a relief from encroaching training boredom. Comments? tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #230 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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