From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #231 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 2 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 231 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Article: Filipino Martial Tradition eskrima: Re: Robbie's Article eskrima: Feinting One More Time hitting what you aim at Re: eskrima: Feinting One More Time eskrima: Mook Jong, Silent Fighter, The Warrior eskrima: schools eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robbie Trinidad Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:31:22 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Article: Filipino Martial Tradition Hello Ron, On 01-Jun-99, Ron wrote: > From: Ron Harris > Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:22:16 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: eskrima: Article: Filipino Martial Tradition > > > From: Robbie Trinidad > > Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 10:05:54 +0800 > > *** Start of Article *** > > FILIPINO MARTIAL TRADITION > > by Pedro Reyes > > > > Arnis is a Military Art, not Civilian > > Dueling is certainly not military, but rather civilian > because no military commander wants his soldiers to be > killing one another off. This practice inhibits > combat readiness and decimates morale. The British > abhorred it and banned it ultimately, but not those > "Spanish." I think dueling is a Spanish concept that was introduced to the Philippines. I know pre-Spanish Philippine history is sparse, but I haven't heard of any pre-spanish stories of duels. > > Arnis Adapts to Civilian Weapons > > Does'nt this make Arnis civilian? I think that the author is trying to say that the art started out as a military one, but has changed through the centuries. > Certainly, there is > no organized warfare after the Spanish ban, except for > occasional insurrection and of course, revolutionaries > around 1898. Guerilla warfare (i.e., NPA, MNLF) uses > all weapons, military and/or civilian. Is it Arnis? I'm not sure what you mean by the question, but arnis is still a major part of the battle tactics of the groups you mentioned, especially the muslim groups. Arnis footwork is used in firearm combat and double dagger techniques are invaluable to armed groups that ply the seas. > > Arnis is Tribal, not Familial > > The tribe is the larger family structure. True. Tribe = Extended Family. I think the author was trying to differentiate between a Filipino Tribe and the general notion of a clan. > Strategic hamlets were successful in the Vietnam War. The same tactic was used in the Phil-Am war and a variant during the Japanese occupation. > In the Philippines today, everyone still makes their > business knowing other's business. Not impersonal... That may be true in rural areas but not as much in urban cities which are much more westernized, but I'm straying off topic. > > Each Arnis Master is Sui Generis > > Well, yes! In the end, it matters what you know and > what you can do. That is true everywhere-ultimately. > Now should want to know a particular style or school > then credentials might matter. Credentials, (i.e., diplomas, certificates), are supposed to serve as an objective indicator of a person's skill. However it's so easy to acquire such credentials without the proper requirements (through bribery, forgery, etc.). > What good is having > lots of college degrees for example? Short cut way, > measure of ability, etc. American society places an > importance on credentials: more so than Philippines? Filipinos are extremely hung up on titles. We just looove putting those vowel deficient abbreviated titles in front of our names like Atty., Dr., Dra., Fr., Bro., Sr., Mnsgr., Eng., Archt., Rep., Gen., Pfc., Do., Re., Mi., Etc... > > A Student Becomes a Master > > Sure! This is the age of self-initiation. That is a > fine tradition. I love it. I was watching some guys > from the same school. One had a orange uniform with > black and white stripes. Another had a blue uniform > with white and navy stripes. Same school. Way kool! I haven't practiced in a uniform in such a long time. I practice in a t-shirt and a pair of shorts plus a pair of cut off socks to prevent sweat from running down to my feet. > > Arnis tradition is Open > > I worship the Goddess! Does God have sex? Ask her. Some animistic tradition believes in a mother and father god that gives birth to a child. When Xtianity entered the equation, some sects elevated Mary to the position of the Mother God. > Perhaps this is why Arnis practitioners fight among > themselves so much. Each one is doing it his way... I think it's more of a case of each one wanting to be the top honcho. If you can't be the master of your school, create a new school. Another reason has been mentioned, that of the Filipinos' desire for titles. Besides, better sounding titles rake in more money. If a master can charge more than an instructor, what more a grandmaster. While we're at it, let's go for "Supreme Grandmaster". Whoo Hooo! (Heh, speaking of titles, checkout by new sig below. :) ) - -- [=======================================================================] [ Roberto B. Trinidad | E-mail: deadlock@mozcom.com ] [ CEO - World Domination NetCorp. | http://www2.mozcom.com/~deadlock/ _ ] [ Freelance 3D Graphics Animator | Quezon City, Philippines _ // ] [ and Desktop Videographer | Member: Team AMIGA \X/ ] [-----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ "All that is necessary for evil to succeed is for ] [ good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke, 1729-1797 ] [=======================================================================] ------------------------------ From: Robbie Trinidad Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:20:36 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Robbie's Article Hello, > From: Remy Sticks > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 16:19:57 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: eskrima: Robbie's Article > > Robbie > Great article. > Two things to consider. > After the Spanish ban on weapons some turned to the rattan because it > was available and could be found easily (you don't find swords, bolos, > etc...just laying around the jungle.) However, you wouldn't go into a jungle without a bolo or machete. You need such blades for path clearing. > The second thing is, You stated that archery is a step backwards. Clarification - I didn't write the article. The article was written by a certain Pedro Reyes. Personally, I disagree that archery is a step backward. If we follow the author's logic, even stick fighting is a step backwards. > In addition to the obvious physical skill (however esoteric) archery will > improve your concentration, focus, and breath control. Also some of the > same skills you would learn from practice with a gun you would gain > from archery, and the neighbors won't complain as much. It doesn't take much skill to fire a gun. Certain types of firearms are just point and shoot, such that anybody with a gun can go on a killing rampage. I'll eat my words when I hear of a bunch of high school kids slaughtering their classmates using rattan sticks. - -- [=======================================================================] [ Roberto B. Trinidad | E-mail: deadlock@mozcom.com ] [ CEO - World Domination NetCorp. | http://www2.mozcom.com/~deadlock/ _ ] [ Freelance 3D Graphics Animator | Quezon City, Philippines _ // ] [ and Desktop Videographer | Member: Team AMIGA \X/ ] [-----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ Fools rush in were other fools have tread. - Old proverb variant - ] [=======================================================================] ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:35:51 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Feinting One More Time Mr. Terry, I agree with what you wrote: "....a feint is a movement to get you to react. Experienced or novice, you WILL give some reaction. It might be something I can use, it might not. A feint is not a committed movement, I will know that but you will not." However, what level of experience are you referring to? What range corto, medio, largo are you referring to? A master with considerable experience will not react to a feint or committed movement if there is no danger. That what makes the person a master. Mr. Terry and others it appears that we may never agree on this subject which is okay. Out of respect to you and others this will be my last writing on the subject of feinting on ED. I don't want to sound like a broken record on one subject. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: hitting what you aim at > It doesn't take much skill to fire a gun. Certain types of firearms are > just point and shoot, such that anybody with a gun can go on a killing > rampage. A very common misconception. It doesn't take much skill to fire a gun, but it does take skill to hit anything. Especially where you want it to be hit. I've been working on it for 35+ years, I and still need to eat more rice... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 07:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Feinting One More Time > Mr. Terry, I agree with what you wrote: "....a feint is a movement to get > you to react. Experienced or novice, you WILL give some reaction. It > might be something I can use, it might not. A feint is not a committed > movement, I will know that but you will not." > > However, what level of experience are you referring to? What range corto, > medio, largo are you referring to? A master with considerable experience > will not react to a feint or committed movement if there is no danger. That > what makes the person a master. Personally I'd say it takes more than that, but... I agree that if the feint is so poorly used that there is no reason to react to the feint then that feint was a worthless tactic, i.e. a short range technique when the oppoents are at long range. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:18:11 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Mook Jong, Silent Fighter, The Warrior Has anyone used any variation of The Warrior training dummy? I'm thinking of purchasing one for home training. Living in a townhouse apt doesn't allow me the freedom to install a Mook Jong, so The Warrior might suit the situation. Any users of this peice of equipment out there in ED world? Thanks for your comments if you'll share your experience. Also, can anyone compare experiences using The Warrior and the Silent Fighter recently asked about? I suspect (from visuals) that the Silent Fighter has more padding than the Warrior. WRT The Warrior, I'm only interested in the Mook Jong life, basic configuration. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "David C. Sheridan" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:25:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: eskrima: schools Looking for a place to train in the Burlington, VT area...or somewhere within an hour or two...any help would be appreciative...even boxing gyms, silat etc.. Thanks, Dave Sheridan sheridc@eng.auburn.edu ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #231 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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