From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #232 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 2 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 232 In this issue: eskrima: (S)kill Re: eskrima: plinking (was (S)kill) eskrima: Re: Mook Jong eskrima: Mook Jong eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #229 eskrima: Re: duelling eskrima: Sticks eskrima: FEINTS!!!!! .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kirk_righter@peoplesoft.com Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:48:19 GMT Subject: eskrima: (S)kill <> So those two kids at Columbine High must have been pretty damn skilled... ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: plinking (was (S)kill) > < anything. >> > > So those two kids at Columbine High must have been pretty damn skilled... Yes, apparently. And what a tragedy, bad things happen in this world. Always have and always will... But, yes, we now know they had practiced. Just like many kids in the somewhat rural areas. When I was a kid that was one of our favorite activities, plinking at tin cans, bottles, and ground squirrels out back of town. I was probably a better shot when I was 14 than I am now. Why? Because we were out plinking a few times every week and out hunting several more times each week during season. I could light a kitchen match with my .22 w/o breaking the match (well, ok, it would take me about 10 trys to light the match instead of just shooting off the match head). Just like martial arts, practice, practice, practice... Of course their bombs could have killed FAR more. When people are intent on doing damage we have learned that no amount of legislation will stop them. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "J H" Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 11:52:58 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Mook Jong Just as long as you don't get that miniature mook jong that you suspend in doorways.... I used that thing a couple times. It hurts your feet when it slips from the door jam! Oh, to all those I said I'd forward tire dummy plans- I lost must of 'em when I was moving! Sorry! I'll ask around to see if anyone else has some plans. Personally, I like the de kuerdas stick... it's real easy to assemble and disassemble, just as long as you have some open space to use it in. Plus, it punches back! Take Care, Fry Bread Boy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:18:42 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Mook Jong > WRT The Warrior, > I'm only interested in the Mook Jong life, basic configuration. Should have been .......... "Mook Jong-like" Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: WriorDragn@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:54:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #229 In a message dated 6/1/99 10:16:56 AM Central Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From what I have experienced feinting can work ,BUT it must be a serious attempt to hit so as to force the opponent to respond in the manner you want him to,and has to be used sparingly. >> If you use your attack to "seriously attemt a hit".. then are you not in reality actually trying to hit but missing in the end... ?? ------------------------------ From: LeighanS@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:28:28 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: duelling from:leighans@aol.com duelling not military?......which fairy tale have you been reading?......just as one very specific example....the french foreign legion institutionalized duelling among its officers in the mid 1800's......it was actually considered an act of cowardice for an officer to refuse a duel....cowardice was punishable by death in those good old days......so much for duelling being a civilian practice....ciao......leighan ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:32:35 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Sticks Frank had a good question about training with rattan vs. fighting with hardwoods. "Tuhon Bill, I have a question (or two) here. Do you, or Tuhon Gaje, have any opinions about possible negative effects of training with light rattan and then fighting with a heavy stick or blade? Fatigue, the shock you write of, different feel, etc. would all seem to be unavoidable and disadvantageous when actually fighting. Also, I notice in many modern practitioners who are not used to the blade that round rattan tends to encourage less-than-ideal alignment when going to a blade or flat stick. Any thoughts? Thanks, John Frankl" Actually you should use a variety of sticks and swords to avoid the problems you mentioned. Beginners should start with light weight rattan for their two man timing drills for safety. As they progress they can go to heavier, longer lasting rattan. And I remember many an afternoon spent in Grandmaster Gaje's backyard wailing away on a stack of tires with a thick Bahi stick. It is also useful to do repetitions of an exercise in the air with heavy pipe or baseball bats to build endurance and give beginning students a feeling for the muscles involved in the technique (I find this really helps if you have a student who tries to "muscle" the stick with his forearm without any body mechanics behind his movements). I would use different weight sticks/swords in this progression: Beginners: Light Rattan - drills and sparring. Heavy pipes - exercise. Heavy Rattan - hitting the tire stack. Advanced: Heavy Rattan - drills Medium Rattan - sparring (with your buddies) Heavy Rattan - sparring (with your non-buddies) Heavy Rattan - hitting the tire stack Bahi sword - Solo endurance exercises Aluminum swords - drills (with gloves and goggles) Machete - cutting practice If we were samurai who always carried the same sword every day then it would be wise for us to practice only with a practice sword that duplicated our carry swords' balance. But since we are training to use anything at hand we should practice with many different weights, lengths and diameters of sticks. Tenrec's "available weapons practise" reminds me of something I call a sparring "grab bag." A sparring "grab bag" is an idea that is both fun and challenging. Put slips of paper in a hat with the names of weapons written on them. It might be a wooden pocket knife or a wooden bowie, it might be a single stick or double, or it might be a denim jacket (I like the idea of the rolled up newspaper, I'll add that next time). Slips with the student's names also go into the hat. Pull out a weapon for each student and have them spar. After a few rounds (I keep ours to 10 seconds to get them to think "hit and run") the weapon and name slips go back in the hat and you change weapons and opponents. A set of heavy body armor is a good idea so that if there is too much of a mismatch between fighters you can armor the smaller/less experienced/female/etc, fighter Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: tim hartman Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:18:02 PDT Subject: eskrima: FEINTS!!!!! I think we can all agree to disagee about feints.I tkhink it is all based on too many factors on each encounter. PLEASE can we move forward onto a new topic?! How about does anyone know about systems that use two hands to strike with sticks? Yours Truly, Punong-Guro Timothy J.Hartman E-mail wnyima@hotmail.com School site www.wmarnis.com/school/ Federation site www.wmarnis.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. 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