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Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest         Thurs, 3 June 1999         Vol 06 : Num 233

In this issue:

     eskrima: two hands
     eskrima: Re:   Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #232
     eskrima: Re:   Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #232
     eskrima: Lameco Eskrima and Inayan Eskrima in Los Angeles
     eskrima: What a tragedy indeed...
     Re: eskrima: Re: duelling
     Re: eskrima: What a tragedy indeed...
     eskrima: GURO DAN INOSANTO SUMMER CAMP/NEW PHONE NUMBER
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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:35:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: eskrima: two hands

> topic?! How about does anyone know about systems that use two hands to 
> strike with sticks?
 
Baseball.?.                              :)

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From: "Cartlon H. Fung,D.D.S." <Docfung@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:26:19 -0700
Subject: eskrima: Re:   Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #232

>I think we can all agree to disagee about feints.I tkhink it is all based
on
>too many factors on each encounter. PLEASE can we move forward onto a new
>topic?! How about does anyone know about systems that use two hands to
>strike with sticks

Guro,

Personally,  I like the two handed method.  I am not quitesure what you are
specifically referring to but I think of empty hand and weapon as the same.
To me there is slight variation between say checking and striking with the
other hand.  Striking with a stick two handed siniwali at the same target
realy adds to the power and completeness of technique.  Also it does not
take much to redirect one of the two sticks and hit at the same time or in
the halfbeat at different targets.  And for course there is simple
simutaneous movement that really screws people up.  Most players think left
hand right hand not both at the same time without bias.  As to truely tapdo
like one stick two hands or variations of the staff my persoanl feeling is
that one tool two hands is limiting in my hands.  God gave me two hands give
me two things to swing!  I find the Tapado length even more limiting in that
it can yeild slightly more power than a siniwali stick but way less than the
torque delivered with a 6 foot staff.  Tapado stick for me being not long
enough and not short enough just is cumbersome.  It's length and natural
sphere of distance are too short to control the distance of the "fastest"
charge unlike the longer staff that can give you two "telling" strikes at
least on the oponants entry even if you are caught flatfooted.  I can
usually on fire off one goot one in tapado.  I find it easy to cut the angle
on a tapado length stick and control another's distance on the flipside as
well.    Maybe soneone on this list list will teach me some new things to
change my mind about this style.  I certainly know little about it.

Regards,

Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S.
Redondo Beach, Ca.


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From: "brian and kathy" <tiger@wolf59.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:00:20 +0100
Subject: eskrima: Re:   Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #232

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From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com <eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com <eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com>
Date: 03 June 1999 04:27
Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #232

<< From what I have experienced feinting can work ,BUT it must be a serious
  attempt to hit so as to force the opponent to respond in the manner you want
  him to,and has to be used sparingly. >>

>If you use your attack to "seriously attemt a hit".. then are you not
>in reality actually trying to hit but missing in the end... ?

My very last word on feinting Honest.
What I meant to say probably was that the opponent must feel threatened
by the feint and therefore reacts how you want him to.

Brian




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From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_Fernandez?=" <fernast@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:44:53 +0100
Subject: eskrima: Lameco Eskrima and Inayan Eskrima in Los Angeles

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Hi to all,
A friend of mine is going to Los Angeles next month, he 's looking for =
some Lameco Eskrima or some Inayan Eskrima people teaching in The Los =
Angeles area.
Any adresse will be greatly appreciated

Mabuhay ng Eskrima
Stephane, Paris France


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From: kirk_righter@peoplesoft.com
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 16:10:08 GMT
Subject: eskrima: What a tragedy indeed...

<<Yes, apparently.  And what a tragedy, bad things happen in this world.
Always
have and always will...>>

La dee da, ho hum, so why even try to change things? Let's just drop our
pants, bend over, and take it.



<<But, yes, we now know they had practiced.>>

Well that's good to know. I would be really upset to find that those kids
had been killed by a couple of lazy louts who hadn't even bothered to
practice.



<<When I was a kid that was one of our favorite activities, plinking at tin
cans, bottles, and ground squirrels out back of town.>>

Plinking. What a nice, non-threatening word. Plink. Gosh, let's go
plinking.


<<When people are intent on doing damage we have learned that no amount of
legislation will stop them.>>

We certainly have learned that. However, we've also learned that suing the
asses off the makers of dangerous products DOES affect change. (Or is that
'effect'?)


It'll be interesting to see what happens when all these anti-gun
organizations merge together (it's happening, conspiracy theorists, it's
happening) and square off against the NRA (Nachos, Rifles, and Alchohol for
all you Simpsons fans out there). It's funny, I've been debating
pro-gunners on various forums for years, and I follow all the latest news
on the subject, and for the first time, John Q. Public is suddenly
interested in gun control. It'll be interesting to see if the NRA's public
relations and lobbying efforts can squash this.


Kirk

P.S. My apologies to all you libertarians out there for using the word
'control'. Sometimes I just can't express myself without using such foul
language.


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= ultra-liberal Bob Dylan =
= lyrics here             =
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From: Ron Harris <ruow@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: duelling

> From: LeighanS@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:28:28 EDT
> Subject: eskrima: Re: duelling

> duelling not military?......which fairy tale have
> you been reading?......just 
> as one very specific example....the french foreign
> legion institutionalized 
> duelling among its officers in the mid
> 1800's......it was actually considered 
> an act of cowardice for an officer to refuse a
> duel....cowardice was 
> punishable by death in those good old days......so
> much for duelling being a 
> civilian practice....ciao......leighan

I love fairytales.  I have no doubt that dueling was
practiced by military units often using military type
weapons.  The purpose of the duel is not to seize the
object of war, often territory.  Dueling weapons for
single combat were "different" than weapons used for
multiple enemies in the field.  Battles of champions
were seldom used to settle scores between and among
nations in history.  This is how we got the Olympics. 
Dueling is therefore not a primary military activity. 
Civilians, however, were more likely to engage in it. 


Ciao?  Ron

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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:55:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: eskrima: What a tragedy indeed...

> <<Yes, apparently.  And what a tragedy, bad things happen in this world.
> Always
> have and always will...>>
> 
> La dee da, ho hum, so why even try to change things? Let's just drop our
> pants, bend over, and take it.

I know...  We should pass a law banning dangerous drugs...
Ohh, we have that already and all the drugs are gone.  I forgot.

The thing to learn from this tragedy is that we as parents need to focus
more on being better parents and become more involved in our children's 
day-to-day life. 


> <<When I was a kid that was one of our favorite activities, plinking at tin
> cans, bottles, and ground squirrels out back of town.>>
> 
> Plinking. What a nice, non-threatening word. Plink. Gosh, let's go
> plinking.

And you would term it, perhaps, 'killing tin cans'?  Geezzz...


> <<When people are intent on doing damage we have learned that no amount of
> legislation will stop them.>>
> 
> We certainly have learned that. However, we've also learned that suing the
> asses off the makers of dangerous products DOES affect change. (Or is that
> 'effect'?)

And every manual provided with every new gun for the last 40 or 60 years or
more makes it clear that 'this gun can be dangerous'.  It is often even
stamped into the barrel.  A very different situation than that of the 
tobacco companies, yes?  These cases are easily recognized as simply lawyers
trying to get more $$ for themselves and nothing more.


> It'll be interesting to see what happens when all these anti-gun
> organizations merge together (it's happening, conspiracy theorists, it's
> happening) and square off against the NRA (Nachos, Rifles, and Alchohol for
> all you Simpsons fans out there). It's funny, I've been debating
> pro-gunners on various forums for years, and I follow all the latest news
> on the subject, and for the first time, John Q. Public is suddenly
> interested in gun control. It'll be interesting to see if the NRA's public
> relations and lobbying efforts can squash this.

Yes, you are correct in that our freedoms may be taken away by a public that
no longer seems to understand the importance of basic freedoms. But I continue
to believe in the guidance of our Founding Fathers and the US Constitution.
We need more of that and fewer Rosie's that spout, 'the heck with the 
constitution, I just want all the guns gone!'. 

Benjamin Franklin had a comment for Rosie and others like her, "Those who
give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty or
safety".

I, too, enjoy debating gun control.  But it becomes too easy after a while 
because most are not familiar with the voluminous research and literature
on the topic.  However -this- is not the proper forum to learn the facts or
to continue this discussion.  See rec.guns or talk.politics.guns.

We got here based on the mistaken claim that pulling a trigger was essentially
the same as hitting and disabling an opponent.  We understand that is
incorrect, just as incorrect as thinking that an untrained person with a stick
will easily kill or disable an opponent.

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

P.S. I consider myself a liberal, but I have taken the time to educate myself
 on this topic and one quickly learns that the typical liberal anti-gun view
 is just not founded in the facts.


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From: howard bobs <geothree@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:11:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: eskrima: GURO DAN INOSANTO SUMMER CAMP/NEW PHONE NUMBER

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From: Ray Terry <rterry@best.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:23:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: eskrima: .


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