From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #234 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 3 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 234 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Two-handed stick styles eskrima: A tragedy indeed, indeedy-doo eskrima: mind control eskrima: Khukuris in FMA eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #233 eskrima: off topic discussions eskrima: Re: two hands eskrima: Freedoms eskrima: Gun control eskrima: Re: Topics... eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #233 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 10:58:59 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Two-handed stick styles I have heard of and seen but am not terribly familiar with the Tapado style - one big stick in two hands. Another amusing incident: Guru Brandt (of whom I've spoken before) was at a stick seminar of some sort. When everyone was asked to get out their stick, the one they'd use for fighting there was a lot of rattan and a little bit of cocobolo flashing around. Plenty of "masters" looking really impressive and very makko. Then Brandt gave everyone the creeping horrors with his favorite: A baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire. ------------------------------ From: kirk_righter@peoplesoft.com Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:05:53 GMT Subject: eskrima: A tragedy indeed, indeedy-doo <> Well that's funny, I'm always reading references to guns and gun laws on this forum. Are you saying that this topic is restricted from now on? Kirk ------------------------------ From: Ted Truscott Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:05:16 -0700 Subject: eskrima: mind control kirk_righter wrote: >>However, we've also learned that suing the asses off the makers of dangerous products DOES affect change.<< If the pen is mightier than the sword, does that mean thinkers and educators will be sued next? ;>) I want criminal control or get out of my way while I do it with my choice of tools. Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" ------------------------------ From: "David W. Fulton" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:33:00 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Khukuris in FMA Just out of curiosity, and in the hopes of getting people off of the "Feinting" and gun control threads: Has anyone here experimented with using khukuris (singularly or in pairs) within the FMA framework? If so, what were your impressions? I'm considering purchasing some khukuris, since filipino weapons are rather hard to come by, but the profile/forward balance of the blade concerns me. Btw, does anyone else think it's odd, considering the popularity of FMA and the number of FMA that emphasize the blade, that filipino blades are so hard to come by? In fact, bigger blades (15" or more) in general, are difficult to come by with the exception of machetes. Of course there are custom makers, but the ones I've come across are expensive. Respectfully, Dave Fulton. dwf@computerpackages.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #233 > topic?! How about does anyone know about systems that use two hands to > strike with sticks? Aren't there some "Dos Manos" (which means two hands) systems? I know that Dekiti Tirsia uses some (they call it "double force") in their 64 attacks drill. However, was this what the original post was referring to, or was it referring to Siniwalli (i.e.: a stick in each hand)? Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 11:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: off topic discussions > < to continue this discussion. See rec.guns or talk.politics.guns.>> > > Well that's funny, I'm always reading references to guns and gun laws on > this forum. Are you saying that this topic is restricted from now on? Always? Sorry, you must have your forums confused. I have never permitted extended off topic discussions in this forum. (Some would even argue I have sometimes not permitted extended on topic discussions in this forum... :) This is a martial arts forum, martial arts often employ weapons, guns are weapons. Guns have naturally come up occasionally, but an extended discussion of pro/anti-gun issues has NEVER been permitted here. Extended discussion of guns has not even been permitted (even tho as a martial artist I obviously appreciate firearms). I give folks a shot or two (pun intended), which you and I have had, and then it is time to take it to the appropriate forum or to private email for further discourse. That time is now. All those wishing to continue this, feel free to contact kirk_righter@peoplesoft.com directly or me directly. Thanks. For grins see http://www.employees.org/~slim/MAHumor/stick.gif. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Bushidosh@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:44:18 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: two hands I have seen some techniques referred to as dos mano where the hands are place on opposite ends of the stick. Hock Hockheim teaches this method, and I believe it was developed into military training. Striking with a butt of a rifle and thrusting with the bayonette. bushidosh@aol.com Colorado Combat Stick & Knife Assoc. ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:48:13 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Freedoms > But I continue > to believe in the guidance of our Founding Fathers and the US Constitution. > We need more of that and fewer Rosie's that spout, 'the heck with the > constitution, I just want all the guns gone!'. Amen fella. Some people can't think past the next moment. I consider the Constitution a religious document, a holy writ best left alone. In our recent history we went uninvaded by one of the Axis powers because the public was armed and could be expected to resist. People quick to comment on things like "gun control" and ranting emotionally that "something needs to be done" need a few lessons in reality. There are things that we need to examine rigorously on both sides of our beloved heritage of freedoms. Some can damn us, some may save us. If nothing else we have to put people in position to do this rigorously, ignoring the silliness that attempts to pass as concern for the general good. First guns, then knives, then what? Somebody walks in and takes over, that's what. Anyone who thinks it's impossible, i.e., bad things won't ever happen to America, should look at the recent joke of impeachment, no penatly, business (s___ you public citizenry) as usual. Check out Unlimited Access: An FBI Agent Inside the Clinton White House by ex-FBI agent Gary Aldrich. When the gun-negators realize how many knifings occur every year, will they come to take my AFCK? Sounds mean doesn't it? AFCK, sounds like an AK47! Ban it! Combat Folder? Sue the company that makes it??? Those who want to rid the 'environment' of weapons need to realize that they need the very people that they want to disarm to remain armed ... so that they can enjoy their other freedoms, even the decadent ones, eh? Makes me think of the "good citizen" who dropped a guy in a bank robbery, good ol'concealed carry license holder in the right place at the right time with the right attitude (a life saver). Mark history: Weapons bans have often been the prelude to totalitarianism and the worst that it can levy on a citizenry ... a thought (just one more :-) does Switzerland have a "gun problem"? Isn't every home in Switzerland -required- to be armed (rifle)? If yes, then what's wrong here? A gun in every household there ... Funny thing, yesterday was my son's 26th birthday. In the course of our conversation he informed me of his recent practice of carrying 3 knives. Whoa baby! Advised him to drop 2 and make the other something that can definitely pass as a "utility" piece, i.e., not a combat folder. Ain't it funny? Guns are the latest demon, but knives are somehow worse sometimes (in court)? I fear that he would have been grist for the mill if he ever had to show up in court for a self defense case. OTOH, being good with your natural "tools" can look bad in court as well. Are we headed for America, Home of the Sheep? A Korean colleague told me of a night that he spent in the slammer after defending himself against one huge dude ... busted the guy up pretty bad. He got sued for damages. Day in court, the guy comes in bandaged up with crutches, etc. ... judge decided the case after comparing their stature ... little guy defendant, big guy plaintiff (attacker) all busted up. Little guy got lucky that day :-) Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "David Chinell" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:47:09 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Gun control Listers: I'm not interested in changing the world. I'm interested in developing my spirit by following the archetype of the warrior. (In religious terms, I worship Mars.) Since I live in a world with handguns, it behooves me to own and learn to use handguns. It's part of my art. I can't ignore the most prevalent weapon in my culture and still convince myself that my studies, my spiritual strivings, are founded in reality. Bear ------------------------------ From: J H Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:12:23 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Topics... Good Day! Ray, were you talking about siniwali or espada y daga type stuff? I'd like to hear some about some good siniwali drills or some lineage/dueling stories. Mabuhay ang Eskrima!!! Fry Bread Boy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: J H Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 13:22:35 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #233 That was a nice gun-control post, Ray. Yours in beer can killing, Fry Bread Jed _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #234 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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