From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #241 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 7 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 241 In this issue: eskrima: Hello from Tampa, FL eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #239 eskrima: san diego eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #240 eskrima: Kampilan stuff eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #231 eskrima: fire arms (again) eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paolo Valladolid Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:54:43 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Hello from Tampa, FL Hi all, I just regained my Internet access after recently relocating to Tampa, FL for a job. I just want to take this opportunity to thank Guro Narrie Babao and his students for the Arnis training I received at Guro's home and to apologize to them for not properly saying goodbye to them before leaving San Diego, CA. I will never forget the time I spent there - they treated me like family. Greetings also to any friends and relatives (hi Uncle Al!!!) who might still be on this list. I've been looking for a place to study martial arts here in the Tampa area. So far I have visited the JKDConcepts school and Richard Clear's Silat school. Wish me luck in finding a quality place to train. I look forward to reading the discussion here. Thanks, Paolo Valladolid phv@san.rr.com ------------------------------ From: Paolo Valladolid Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:44:12 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #239 >From: "William R. Young" >Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 00:45:31 -0600 >Subject: eskrima: Questions > >Then my instructor found a school in San Diego run by the Cepeda >Brothers. Guro Dan Cepeda, now retired in Las Vegas, is teaching us a >style they call Baston Batangas, which I believe they say was taught >them by Narrie Babao (probably misspelled). A much more fluid, softer >style than the one before, but with a totally different 12 count. We are >taught to always keep the stick(s) moving, etc., which is exactly the >opposite of what we were trained earlier, but I realize that could just >be in the different interpretations of the instructors involved. When I was training under Guro Babao, I had help from my various seniors, but each individual had a slightly different area of emphasis. One, for example, was always watching my feet to see if I was being flat-footed. Another preferred that counters be done a certain way. And so on. But this is probably not any different from other schools. >American Arnis Association, the Cepeda's or Narrie Babao? The Cepeda Brothers have been running their San Diego school for a while. They are listed as Masters on the whiteboard that Guro uses to keep track of students. Guro Babao himself teaches three systems: Babao Arnis (sometimes called Batangas Arnis - the art of his father and grandfather), Doce Pares Eskrimas (Cacoy Canete system), and Villabrille Kali. He still goes to Grandmaster Canete for additional training whenever possible. He might also still be going to Ben Largusa though I'm not absolutely sure. Dan Inosanto is the godfather of one of his sons (I think it's Chris). He has a hilarious photo of himself and his students all touching Bruce Lee's punching bag (the one he didn't want anybody but himself to touch) at Inosanto's academy. One thing I really valued about training under him was his Filipino martial history lectures. I miss the straight lectures and the stories he'd tells us (like Villabrille fighting the Moro Prince who would hit him while running and flipping over him midair, Villabrille lifting oil barrels like you and me would lift soda cans, etc.). It took me quite a bit of effort to find him (we had a few good laughs about it months later) but he was definitely worth it. Hope that helped a bit, Paolo ------------------------------ From: Fritz J Schneider Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: san diego I've just moved to San Diego (mission hills area) and would appreciate any advice regarding where or with whom to find good training. After I get settled (maybe 3-4 weeks) I'll start looking in earnest but right now I'm just soliciting suggestions. Style not really important but I enjoy grappling very much. Thanks in advance. - -- fritz ------------------------------ From: butch@epix.net Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 17:41:17 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #240 > From: Kurokuwa@aol.com > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:19:46 EDT > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #239 > > Butch wrote: > "How many martial arts schools and instructors teach firearm > marksmanship/gunfighting as part of their system? James wrote: > When I was young and first began training, circa 1967, I > always associated guns with something attackers used and martial artists > defended against. ME: Exactly right in most Martial Arts Systems. This puts you at a great disadvantage out in the street when you have just empty hands/feet against firearms unless you are close enough and skilled enough to go for a gun disarm if necessary. Yes, it is shaky business to do so. > 2) Here in NYC, my students are more likely to "run into" firearms than were > the historical ninja. They better know what end the bullet comes out of. long post.) > ME: Yes indeed. In order to do disarms against guns, it helps to know which type of "action" the gun operates on (revolver vs semiauto etc...). This knowledge helps out alot in many cases. So as James states, you must become familiar with guns to know which end the bullet comes out of. Knowing the the operations of various type of guns can save your life during disarming and has done so. For example, I have read a police report that a criminal took a police officer's gun away from him but the criminal was not familiar with the type of safety on the gun and could not figure out how to turn it off. The police officer took advantage of the criminal's lack of knowledge about the gun and managed to get it back. So I ask another question. Do most of you FMA instructors teach gun disarms as part of your requirements. I know Tuhon Bill McGath does since I bought one of his tapes which has Alan Surgetti practicing some very good disarms in the Phillipines. Comments anybody. Any good FMA disarming techniqes out there you would like to share. Any real life situations involving such. Once in a while Joerg's American Karate Academy in Mechanicsburg PA gives a gun disarming seminar (also knife and stick). If interested, send me a private email. Butch Butch ------------------------------ From: J H Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 17:23:45 PDT Subject: eskrima: Kampilan stuff If a kampilan has a hook/tooth it can come in real handy if one is on his/her last straw and needs to make a strike that counts... All one has to do is slam his/her rear hand down on the butt of the kampilan and pop goes the weasel( groin shot)! Of course, y'all probably know about this stuff. Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. ;) Fry Bread Boy _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: CArena7028@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 22:17:03 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #231 Hi Mik I have been using a silent fighter out in my garage for five years now. I have hit it full force with my sticks, staffs, plastic knives, hands, feet, head & I think that I even have bit it once or twice, still looks like new! Maybe I should sharpen my teeth! I have played with the traditional mook jon, heavy bag, wave master and others. Kelly's Silent Fighter seems to be the most realistic of all due to the fact that the arms and legs move and the padding is simalir to regular body contact. The only problem that you may have with any of these dummies is vibration and noise transfer through your townhome. My wife tells me that when I am working hard on my dummy the whole house shakes. This can probably put you at odds with the nieghbors. Good luck Chris Arena ------------------------------ From: "Joe & Doro Hironaka" Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:36:48 -0700 Subject: eskrima: fire arms (again) I believe that to really be able to defend yourself against any weapon, you need to know how to use it. This will give you knowledge of its strengths and weaknesses. Joe Hironaka ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #241 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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