From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #243 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 8 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 243 In this issue: eskrima: The whole gun thing eskrima: Re: Internet charge urban legend eskrima: Re: Surviving edged weapons Re: eskrima: Re: Surviving edged weapons eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #242 eskrima: not a CCW eskrima: Pekiti & modern weapons eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kirk_righter@peoplesoft.com Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:10:52 GMT Subject: eskrima: The whole gun thing In response to 1) The whole gun thing - a personal note <> Really? I spent a while on Compuserve's Political Forum, specifically in the Gun Rights section, and never met anyone who could argue his way out of a wet paper bag. Everybody there wanted to talk technical gun stuff, and wanted everyone to believe that if we only understood how much fun it is to shoot stuff, we'd see the light. <> Bury me? Too bad your upper middle class Jewish intellectual upbringing didn't include teaching humility. I'd love to discuss this off-line, as long as your opening remarks don't refer to me as a gun-hating, homosexual Nazi. That was the only response I received from any members of this forum, as a result of Mr. Terry's offer for anyone wanting to continue the earlier debate to contact me directly. (Thanksalot Ray ;-)) This from an immature psychotic, who, so far, seems to represent a large portion of the pro-gunners I run across. It would be refreshing to talk to someone who's a little less emotional and a little more intellectual. Kirk P.S. Homosexual Nazi? Man, talk about an identity crisis. P.S.S. Tendentious? That's an awfully big word for a twelve year old. (A slight twist on the punch line from my favorite joke) ------------------------------ From: "Jesse & Anne Greenawalt" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:50:19 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Internet charge urban legend Dave Fulton wrote: >The date of the original email was June 1st, so that would have the vote >taking place by June 15th so it's important to act now to defeat this thing. This is not true, there are BOTH versions, US and Canadian, at: http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/xemailtax.html jester ------------------------------ From: "Jesse & Anne Greenawalt" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:55:38 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Surviving edged weapons Al Sardinas wrote: >I recall that a video was made for LEO's >that included Guro Inosanto, Tuhon Gaje and one of his senior students (now >that I look at your picture in the magazine was that you?). I think the >video quoted that there would have to be a distance of at least 17' (could >be 12') before one could draw one's gun and not risk being cut by a knife >welding assailant. I think this was "Surviving Edged Weapons", and the distance they quoted was 21'. Very eye opening for me when I first saw it. I'd highly recommend this vid for anyone with "knife sparring for self defense" pretensions. jester ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Surviving edged weapons > Al Sardinas wrote: > >I recall that a video was made for LEO's > >that included Guro Inosanto, Tuhon Gaje and one of his senior students (now > >that I look at your picture in the magazine was that you?). I think the > >video quoted that there would have to be a distance of at least 17' (could > >be 12') before one could draw one's gun and not risk being cut by a knife > >welding assailant. > > I think this was "Surviving Edged Weapons", and the distance they quoted was > 21'. Very eye opening for me when I first saw it. I'd highly recommend > this vid for anyone with "knife sparring for self defense" pretensions. Yes. 21 feet as defined by the Tueller drill, from the LEO trainer Dennis (?) Tueller. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Kurokuwa@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 22:54:10 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #242 In a message dated 6/7/99 4:40:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Mr. Ellner wrote: I particularly disagree with the guy who requires his students to get an NYC pistol permit. In NYC such permits are at the discretion of the police. If the particular cops in charge of your case take a dislike to you or if you are the wrong class or color you will not get a permit most of the time. Mr. Ellner, I respect your right to disagree and, as I said, I've taken flack for this before. I'm not certain what experiences you've had with NYPD, or where you obtained your information, but in NYC the licensing is a clerical function of the NYPD and handled by non-uniform staff. I happen to be of Filipino extraction, (my wife, by the way comes from a middle class Jewish family as you describe for yourself) and my students are pedictably (in NYC) from EVERY ethnic background. Neither I nor any of my black belt candidates have EVER experienced a problem with the process. Perhaps this might be because the administrative personnel in the Licensing Division are also represented by a majority of minorities. If you are speaking from (rare) personal experience, I will be happy to provide you with the name of the Captain who oversees the IMPARTIAL handling of the process by the licensing staff. If there is anything else you object to in the way I evaluate my black belts, who by the way will later receive restricted "comp-training" with SWAT folks in Nassau and Suffolk counties in areas of explosives, B&E methods, MOUT tactics, etc. please discuss this with me at: Kurokuwa@aol.com Thank you. James Loriega New York Ninpokai ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: not a CCW > In a message dated 6/7/99 4:40:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Mr. Ellner wrote: > I particularly disagree with the guy who requires his students to get an > NYC pistol permit. In NYC such permits are at the discretion of the police. > If the particular cops in charge of your case take a dislike to you or > if you are the wrong class or color you will not get a permit most of the > time. > > Mr. Ellner, I respect your right to disagree and, as I said, I've taken flack > for this before. I'm not certain what experiences you've had with NYPD, or > where you obtained your information, but in NYC the licensing is a clerical > function of the NYPD and handled by non-uniform staff. I believe that Mr. Ellner might have been thinking that a "NYC pistol permit" is a CCW permit. They are different, yes? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 23:36:26 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti & modern weapons On the subject of modern weapons training: I remember having a long discussion with Tuhon Gaje about the vulnerable points of a man in scuba gear and how being under water would effect your technique. Guro Omar Hakim tells a funny story about his training with Tuhon Gaje. Omar had just finished his training in Gun Seguidas about the time Tuhon Gaje first got his hands on a stun gun. Of course Leo being Leo, he couldn't just use it as is, so he devised a set of techniques based on Espada y Daga for the stun gun and collapsible baton. He even worked out where to put the stun gun during locks so that you wouldn't put your own bodyparts in the path of the electricity. After seeing all this, Omar asked Leo "Is there anything that Pekiti doesn't have?" Leo had to scratch his head for a moment and then said "We don't have good combat driving." Well several months later Leo was invited up to ESI (the bodyguard school) for a knife seminar. Several months after that Omar remembers seeing a magazine article on ESI. They had a photo of their driving course, and in the photo, there was Leo in a crash helmet with this big grin on his face. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath "Armed citizens are a barrier against the enterprises of ambition more effective, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of." James Madison ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 20:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #243 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.