From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #244 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 8 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 244 In this issue: eskrima: mythology eskrima: psychos eskrima: Inside Kung-Fu Article eskrima: Re:whole gun thing eskrima: GM Ernesto Presas seminar in San Francisco eskrima: internet charge eskrima: Kun Tao Silat DeThouars eskrima: Acetabolan eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #243 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: mythology > Dave Fulton wrote: > >The date of the original email was June 1st, so that would have the vote > >taking place by June 15th so it's important to act now to defeat this > thing. > > This is not true, there are BOTH versions, US and Canadian, at: > > http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/xemailtax.html Sorry I let that one slip thru. Meant to kill it, but forgot... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 21:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: psychos > This from an immature psychotic, who, so far, seems to represent a large > portion of the pro-gunners I run across. Pro-gunners.?. You mean like Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, Franklin, Monroe... Yep, sounds like a bunch of immature psychos to me. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 01:25:59 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Inside Kung-Fu Article Finally! After all the positive emails I received, I was beginning to think only those inclined to agree with me would spring for the 3 bucks for the July issue of Inside Kung-Fu with my Pekiti knife article in it. I'll take Al Sardinas' points one by one. "Bill McGrath's Small Knife Do's and Don'ts (there are 7 Do's and 5 Don'ts - the Don'ts I can agree with. On the Do's, I can agree with #1. #'s 4-6 - need legal advice) 1.Train with the same size practice knife as your carry knife. "2. Pay special attention to protecting your eyes, throat, heart, and weapon arms at all times. 3. Control your opponent's weapon arm at all times. 7. Apply for a handgun carry permit with your local authorities so you won't have to resort to a knife in defense of a knife attack in the first place (after 24 years in the pekiti-tersia system I would draw my gun over my knife should someone pull a knife on me with harmful intent). " #'s 2 and 3 - You should pay special attention to controlling your opponent's knife period. Not his arm. If you control your opponent's knife you won't have to worry about any part of your body. (Bill: You are going to have to rephrase this question Al. I think we are talking about the same thing) # 7 - Why did you write this article? (Bill: To promote Pekiti-Tirsia knife technique.) To me your putting down the Pekiti-Tersia System, Tuhon Gaje and even Eddie Jaffri (I don't know his title to address him properly). (Bill: I sense a possible language barrier here. The whole thrust of the article was in praise of the Pekiti-Tirsia system. I strongly urged readers to view Tuhon Gaje's video and Eddie Jaffri was never mentioned or even referred to in the article. Pardon me for asking Al, but is English your primary language? I recall that a video was made for LEO's that included Guro Inosanto, Tuhon Gaje and one of his senior students (Bill: Calibre Press' "Surviving Edged Weapons") (now that I look at your picture in the magazine was that you?). (Bill: That's Mike Franciotti Westcoast Director for my organization and father of my Godson. Tuhon Gaje had already committed to do a knife defensive tactics seminar that same week at the Justice Systems Training Association meeting when he was asked to do the Calibre Press video, so he asked me to take over for him at the J.S.T.A. seminar) I think the video quoted that there would have to be a distance of at least 17' (could be 12') (Bill: It was 21') before one could draw one's gun and not risk being cut by a knife welding assailant. Page 62 - The Knife Picture Sequence Caption: (Bill: Ah! Now here is a real question). "Bill McGrath uses small knife tactics to defend against this low-line straight thrust delivered by the attacker by parrying the thrust with his free hand while using a powerful icepick stab to the shoulder joint (1). Continuing the mmotion of his weapon arm, McGrath parries the attacker's knife further from his body (2). McGrath can now cicle his foe's arm into an inside wristlock (3). Once in the wristlock, McGrath can now cut the tendons in his enemy's wrist (4)." (Bill: essentially what I did here was stab him and put him in an inside wrist lock with my knife ending up cutting his wrist at the pulse.) What I see: 1. Tuhon Bill McGrath (TBM) does not have contol of his opponent's knife. (Bill: Photo 1 shows attacker's low centerline thrust and my stab to his shoulder. I really have four safety factors working for me here. 1. My left hand parrying his knife hand. 2. My sidestep off the center line. (Since a photo is only two dimensional, you can't see my sidestep off the center line very well.) 3. My stab to his weapon arm shoulder. 4. The follow through parry with my right forearm. The attacker (AT) can easily block or control TBM' knife. (Bill: The heavy downward icepick grip stab to the shoulder is a great aid to the rest of the technique. It's like a boxer's jab. If the first jab doesn't give you an opening for a cross, jab him again.) The AT can easily continue to move to TBM's side and cause damage. 2. Same as 1 but even worse. The AT can easily cut TBM's arm, body. The AT can also apply a finger lock on TBM's free hand. 3. It appears that TBM is controlling AT's wrist. However, TBM leaves his upperbody and face open to attack. (Bill: I can see how Al could view it this way. The final photo in the sequence I sent IKF does show a counter to my opponent's left punch. It is in the magazine, just not in the sequence of photos Al describes. It was moved for dramatic effect to the title page of the article by the magazine's editor . Trust me. Pekiti-Tirsia has seen a free hand punch as a counter to an inside wrist lock before). A real bad mistake - TBM is trapping his own knife hand! The AT can easily get out of this situation. 4. It appears that finally TBM has control of the AT's hand. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis" (Bill: I want to thank Al for his questions. I believe Al had said previously that he is only a 2 year student of the Garimot system, so it took real courage to write as strongly as he did). Andrew Brenton had the following question about the article. "Tuhon, I have read the article. I think your point came across clearly and effectively. I did have a question about the jumping attack pictured and described in the article. Isn't jumping that high giving the opponent a chance (however slight) to counter? I undersand the principle of using the weight with the heavy weapon. In Japanese sword fighting, they have you leap forwards so that the tops of your toes graze along the ground. This insures that one is fully off the ground (so that all the weight will be behind the blow) but that the feet remain close to the ground as well. It also assures a horizontal, rather than vertical, leap. (Bill: The article showed a photo sequence of what I consider to be a representative example of a Filipino large knife technique. Both men have large bolos. Attacker delivers a forehand. Defender checks, cuts and disarms by dis-arming. Defender delivers a midlevel backhand cut to disembowel. He pulls his opponent's head down by the hair and then leaps into the air for a final decapitating cut. I have seen leaping attacks in several FMAs in addition to Pekiti-Tirsia. One reason was told to me by Tuhon Gaje when I first saw a technique that had a leap. You have to clear whatever is in your path - remember this is a jungle art. There are too many thrings to trip over to leap horizontally. The second reason is my own theory and that is cultural. When a Filipino warrior wants to kill you, he REALLY wants to kill you. I think the leap for the final blow is part guarantee and part final insult to his foe.) More comments on the article are always welcome! Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath Tuhon in Pekiti, White belt author. ------------------------------ From: Rob & Laurie Gage Date: Tue, 8 Jun 99 01:41:25 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re:whole gun thing kirk, although i'm only an amateur escrimador, i am an avid shootist. please don't judge us by the bad apples. i see handguns as a neccessary evil, kind of like a credit card. i hope that i never have to use it, but i'll be glad i had it if the need arises. yes, there are just as many reasons not to have the general citizenry carry firearms as there are in favor. above and beyond any self-defense issues i feel the right to carry a handgun (yes, guaranteed by the 2nd amendment at present, but not unchangable) is a symbol of our American freedoms. governments seeking to dominate/control it's citizenry begin by disarming them, whether it be guns, swords or display of martial arts, at different points in history. and yes, in America for every freedom there will be the extreme or excess. be well, rob ------------------------------ From: chris Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 00:09:55 -0700 Subject: eskrima: GM Ernesto Presas seminar in San Francisco I would like to announce that Grandmaster Ernesto Presas-System of Combative Filipino Martial Arts, will be giving a two day seminar this Saturday & Sunday, June 12th and 13th, at the Alemany Karate School, 1319-20th Avenue (between Irving & Judah), San Francisco, CA 94122. For more info, please contact the Alemany Karate School, (415) 665-3848, or you can email me at cgomez@pacbell.net. Some of the drills will include single and double baston, espada y daga, disarms, empty hand techniques, takedowns, and the balisong. Hope to see you there. Thank you for your time. Chris Gomez ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:22:42 +0100 Subject: eskrima: internet charge < > The date of the original email was June 1st, so that would have the vote taking place by June 15th so it's important to act now to defeat this thing. Terry, I hope this is appropriate to the list.>> My understanding was that this is a hoax. It has done the rounds on other lists. These sites are great for checking hoax's http://ciac.llnl.gov http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html http://www.kumite.com/myths/ pat ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Kun Tao Silat DeThouars Asian Fighting Arts in Dayton, Ohio will be hosting an intensive 2 day seminar with Willem "Uncle Bill" DeThouars on August 14th and 15th. Location and prices haven't been finalized yet, but the dates are definite. I'll post an update when I know it. Also, if you'd like to be added to our mailing list, send me an e-mail at: sikal@yahoo.com Thanks, Mike === Mike Casto Assistant Instructor Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali/ 5099 Springboro Pike Indonesian Pentjak Silat Dayton, OH 45439 Phone: (937) 293-5520 URL: http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:00:37 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Acetabolan In an issue of Musclemag (janfeb1999) I picked up in the gym, a fighter from Canada (Jon McCall)claims that Acetabolan make his hands speed increase. Anyone aware of this? Never heard of it myself. Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: Kurokuwa@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:40:52 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #243 Ray asked: "I believe that Mr. Ellner might have been thinking that a "NYC pistol permit" is a CCW permit. They are different, yes?" Yes Ray, that's correct. There is no CCW permit in NYC. As I responded to Mr. Lindquist's courteous off-line query, there are three types of pistol permits in NYC: Residence/Premises; Target; Carry. Carry IS the most difficult to get, but there are lawyers who specialize in just getting these for business clients. Essentially, you have to prove that you transport $3000. in cash to and from the bank for your business, verified by six months' worth of bank statement. The other two permits are relatively easy to get if you can stand the bureaucracy. James Loriega New York Ninpokai ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #244 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.