From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #247 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 9 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 247 In this issue: eskrima: StabPro? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #245 eskrima: peeling a wrist eskrima: Surviving Edged Weapons eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #245 eskrima: Aloha Online News Correction.... (fwd) eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Ochs Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: StabPro? I know that standard kevlar bullet-proof vests do not work well for knife attacks (there are a number of folks who have died while testing them out) but there is a vest by SafariLand that is touted as protection against knife attacks. The vest is called "StabPro." Does anyone have any information on the effectiveness of this body-armor against specific types of knife attacks? Tom Ochs ------------------------------ From: "Cartlon H. Fung,D.D.S." Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 20:29:54 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #245 <> Interesting thing about gun training vs emptyhand. why do so many teach this without using an unloaded real gun and why are so many techniques aimed at grabbing the barrel and doing wrist peels? regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: peeling a wrist > Interesting thing about gun training vs emptyhand. why do so many teach > this without using an unloaded real gun and why are so many techniques aimed > at grabbing the barrel and doing wrist peels? Re #1, it is far safer. Safety is the number one concern when doing ANY firearms training. An unloaded real gun can get loaded by mistake. A training gun cannot. I have been in classes where we used real guns only as a last resort, but you follow the threes rule. Three different people completely check out the weapon to make sure that it is empty and then masking tape is used to tape it so that it cannot be loaded without removing or obviously breaking the tape. Re #2, there is the Folsom Roll which isn't a wrist peel. I'm blanking right now on other non wrist peels. For example, the FBI teaches very basic stuff... Blade your body, displace the weapon from pointing at you ALWAYS with your strong hand (as Eskrimadors we'd probbly want to use our weak/live hand instead of our strong hand), and then peel the weapon. Or instead of peel, control the weapon arm and stomp, knee, head butt the s*&t out of the f*&#er. Oh, yea, that is another non wrist peel... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 00:48:57 EDT Subject: eskrima: Surviving Edged Weapons Hello all, Where can I order a copy of "Surviving Edged Weapons"? The last time I looked on the web the site for the video production company limited the sale to law enforcement officers. Thanks, Sovann NW Karate for Christ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: Carl Fung Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:57:57 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #245 eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\ > manner using your knife defense technique. You wrote in your article that > you should control the opponent's weapon arm and protect your eyes and > parts of the body at all times. I simply wrote that you should control your > opponent's weapon. This is a big difference with what you wrote. > Regarding the Knife Picture Sequence, Gee some rant has developed and now I really want to read the article but Tuhon I'm so lazy I'll probably not get around to buying IKF...my loss. Anyway I don't care who is right or wrong here but someone is right IMHO. And this is a great point of discussion. Controling the weapon is the key and that does not mean controling the weapon arm necessarily! Mearly zoning is adequate control as is two hands on the weapon arm, as is one hand on the weapon arm and taking the body, as is parrying etc... Maybe "controling the weapon" should be substituted for "edge awareness". However, in a short article with varying skill level reader controling the weapon arm makes sence as a simple method of survival...no necessarily my preference. AS to article pictures you can always counter a picture. It is reality that is hard to counter. Taking things out of context is not wise. Rgards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Aloha Online News Correction.... (fwd) More forwarding... Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I made an error on the date of the IKF tournament and omitted a few important events..... International Karate Federation 6th Annual Sacramento Karate Championships - The date should read... September 19, 1999 - Jon Limcaco 916-682-7386 June 26, 1999 - Los Banos, CA - The 1st Annual Budo Open - Central California Championships - 209-827-319 - Alex Huichapan - Promoter September 10th - 12th, 1999 COMBAT SAMBO SPETSNAZ Survival Camp SPECIAL INVITATION SEMINAR CAMP Featuring the Russian Gen. Alexander Retuinskih and the Russian Masters. Gen. Alexander Retuinskih, world leader of Russian Martial Art/Combat Sambo Spetsnaz, will be coming to USA to teach 3 day survival seminar. Training will be grueling and vigorous, so please be prepared. Conditions will be spartan and harsh. You must bring training knife, training quarterstaff, grappling jacket (can be heavy material military blouse, sambo kurtka or judo gi), durable clothing, running shoes, mess kit (utensils, mug and bowl), and sleeping gear. There will be no shower facilities and an outdoor latrine will be provided. This seminar is admitting only 50 people maximum, and only 11 seats remain. No more than two persons from any organization due to demand. The fee will be $299. There will be a mandatory $100 deposit due NO LATER than July 15th (non-refundable) and the balance due by September 1st. A waiting list is being created for 10 extra people in the event of cancellation. Contact AARMACS, Inc. Registration Dept. at info@amerross.com, http://AmerROSS.com or if you have any questions, call Nikolay Travkin, AARMACS President at 770-804-9315. Sambo enthusiasts from around the world will be present for this history-making event. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #247 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.