From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #249 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 10 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 249 In this issue: eskrima: good reading eskrima: Travels and a Dancing Dog eskrima: Sinawalli eskrima: Surviving Edged Weapons eskrima: sigs eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #247 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LeighanS@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:15:35 EDT Subject: eskrima: good reading from: leighans@aol.com with all this talk about guns and other toys, just thought i would recommend a really good book.....'kill or be killed' by the late col. rex applegate.....the firearm section will provide some great advice , but you will have to take the knife section with a grain of salt.......the emptyhand section is really basic....designed to get a complete novice somewhat confident in themselves.....for the leo's and nationalguardspersons, the bit on mob control is outstanding........the book is a classic text, as well it should be.....before anyone rips the author apart about his techniques on unarmed combat and knife fighting, just pause a moment to reflect the crap that is still being taught to our police and military personnel.....having gone through nypd, this book is a significant leap ahead of what is currently being taught.......as a final parting note, it is better to know something and not have to use it, than need to know something and not know..........ciao...........leighan ------------------------------ From: NYJKDC@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:17:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: Travels and a Dancing Dog A Howl of Greeting to All: I just got into New York City yesterday (where I'll be doing a seminar at the only DBMA Affiliate School on the east coast for DBMA Sr. Lakan Guro Nick "C-Raw Dog" Sacoulas this weekend) after a week in England doing a seminar for Krishna Godhania and a week in Spain doing a seminar for Alfonso Acosta. To the amusement of all concerned, the latter was done in Spanish. More on this later, but I had a great time with both Krishna and Alfonso. Ted, glad you liked the tapes. You raise a good question about "Where's the footwork?" The short answer is its right there in the quality of Top Dog's movement, his footspeed, in his control of range, his zoning, etc. Woof, Crafty Dog PS: Here in NYC both Dog Danny (1998 Intermediate Champion at Alan Sacchetti's tournament) and Dog Rodney are looking pretty sharp and are looking forward to Alan's shinding down in Delaware. ------------------------------ From: ed Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:55:31 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Sinawalli Two of the major problems that new students must overcome when learning sinawalli are (1) having a weak or sloppy swing and (2) not extending the stick out when they swing. To help w/ the first problem, I've found it effective to have the student perform the sinawallis on either a post or a heavy bag. This allows the student the opportunity to develop powerful solid strikes without worrying about getting hit by or hitting his partner. It also provides the student with a means to practice when there is no partner around. To help w/ the second problem, the one that usually has the students missing each other's stick every couple of swings, I came up with an exercise based on the Inayan 4 Count. Inayan Four Count Start Open: 1. Right High Inside 2. Right Low Backhand 3. Left High Inside 4. Left Low Backhand Start working the Four Count then after the 3rd or 4th cycle use the second strike (RLB) to lightly witik his (R) thigh (note, you need to be quick). Pause and then start over again working the Four Count but this time after the 3rd or 4th cycle use the fourth strike to lightly witik his (L) thigh. This will help stress the importance of extending the strikes. Now have the student take on this role so he can feel the difference between extending and not extending the strike. After the student becomes proficient at this, use lateral stepping to avoid his low BH strike, thus accentuating the importance of footwork. I hope this helps. Brian Hutchinson Bodnar Kali ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:06:47 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Surviving Edged Weapons When Tuhon Gaje was first approached by Calibre Press to do "Surviving Edged Weapons" he was told that it was to be a "LEO Only" video. He told me the company paid him $800 for his part in the video. Once they found they had a hit on their hands (I'm told it has sold over 500,000 copies-Tuhon Gaje should have asked for points!) they opened sales up to the public. Now you can usually find it at gun shows and gun stores. If your local shop doesn't carry it try calling Gaul's Police Equipment (1-800-477-7766) and ask for a catalog. The video is on page 166 of the current issue. As I type this the current Gaul's catalog is on my desk and I don't see anything stating that Gaul's will only see this video to LEOs. The price from Gaul's is $39.95 plus shipping and sales tax if you live in KY or VA. Tom Ochs asked about the Safariland StabPro vest. It can be found on page 153 of the Gaul's catalog. It comes in three threat levels: CS-1 for light duty. This model is not certified for ballistic threats but is rated to stop an ice pick with 20 ft. lbs. of force behind it. The price is $459.99 CS-2 is their medium weight vest. This vest is certified to meet NIJ certification for a level 1 ballistic threat and is rated to stop an ice pick delivered with 37 ft. lbs. of force. The price is $799.00 CS-3 is their heavyweight Booking.CERT/Transport model. It is NIJ Certified Level 2A for ballistic threats and certified to stop an ice pick delivered with 81 ft lbs. of force. The price is $1149.99 I haven't read any tests on this vest, but Safariland has an excellent reputation in the law enforcement community and in today's litigious society, they could not long survive if they sold a protective vest to a department that didn't perform as advertised. The specs you see on performance against an icepick impress me (an icepick will penetrate where even a sharp double edge dagger would not) and I would say the vest should do even better against a knife. On a related note. I purchased a pair of Kevlar forearm guards from "The Sportsman's Guide" catalog and tested them. The guards are made up of two thin layers of stretchable knit Kevlar in a woven continuous tube. My first impression on examining the arm guards was that the weave seemed a bit thinly woven to stop a knife slash and no where near thick enough to stop a stab, but I figured I would give the product the benefit of the doubt until I tested it. I laid the sleeve (all four layers) over a foam shin guard and took a short, quick slash at it with a 3.5" non-serrated Benchmade Emerson. The blade cut cleanly through all four layers of Kevlar and penetrated the foam. I don't consider the chisel edge on the Emerson the best design for slashing, but it managed to cut through the armguard non the less. I wouldn't recommend relying on these armguards to protect you from a knife. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath "It would also be strange to find in the midst of a catalog of the rights of individuals a provision securing to the states the right to maintain a designated `Militia.' Dispassionate scholarship suggests quite strongly that the right of the people to keep and bear arms meant just that. ...Thus, concerns about the social costs of enforcing the Second Amendment must be outweighed by considering the lengths to which the federal courts have gone to uphold other rights in the Constitution. The rights of the Second Amendment should be as zealously guarded as the other individual liberties enshrined in the Bill of Rights". U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: sigs > Regards, > Tuhon Bill McGrath > > "It would also be strange to find in the midst of a catalog of the rights of > individuals a provision securing to the states the right to maintain a [snip] Ok, Tuhon Bill, come on now. No more slipping pro comments (or anti comments, Kirk) in via sigs, etc. Take it offline. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: pnn Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:44:33 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #247 > From: Tom Ochs > Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:09:52 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: eskrima: StabPro? > You might want to check out a company called Second Chance. (They only sell vests to police and military, though.) The owner of the company has put out a sales video for his vests in which he does live (and I do mean *live*) demonstrations of his vests. The video is amatuerish and very silly, but it has a lot of real life info on the effectiveness of vests against the various types of weapons. Throughout the video, he shoots himself over thirty times with various weapons (44 magnum, 357 magnum, etc) while wearing the vest. (Surprisingly, it does not significantly slow him down. He is able to function quite well.) He also demonstrates the effectiveness of his vests vs other vests against knives. He uses a Gerber Mark 2 and a two handed overhand stab (he puts a lot of weight into it). The knife goes through *both* sides of the competitor's vest by a good distance and only though the first layer of his vest by only about 0.25"/6 mm. It appears that some vests are better than others.... Paul Nagata ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #249 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.