From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #254 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 15 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 254 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #253 eskrima: Re: "on the left side" eskrima: Re:Left hand biases and Achilles tendons eskrima: Re: Jacket, belt, chain, etc and dagger eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #253 eskrima: Re:ho knows the English word eskrima: Achilles and antibiotics eskrima: Latin words eskrima: Re: Great Eskrima Fighters eskrima: Re: Gurkha Knife Training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #253 eskrima: Re: Great Eskrima Fighters eskrima: correction eskrima: Fred Lazo? eskrima: Cut-Sew-n-Go eskrima: Heal, Achille's heel. (Longer than I intended, sorry, Ray). eskrima: Mindset... eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ward, Jon" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:57:42 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #253 Hi Clay, FYI it's Dizon not Dixon. > ---------- > Subject: eskrima: Great Eskrima Fighters > > Greatest Eskrima Fighters > > I > > Felicisimo Dixon  An undisputed death match champion who was never > defeated in combat. He trained and won many fights in dark caves; he also > killed sharks with his knife during his nightly swims. Tought Cabales and > traveled with him for nearly 20 years fighting together successful always. > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Ted Truscott Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:05:41 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: "on the left side" Tuhon Bill McGrath PS. Who knows the English word whose Latin root means "on the left side"? Do you mean "distal"? Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" ------------------------------ From: ylmdsx@worldnet.att.net Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:41:13 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re:Left hand biases and Achilles tendons > PS. Who knows the English word whose Latin root means "on the left side"? Sinister? Anyway, on to the topic of Achilles tendon injuries. Several years ago, I managed to do a partial tear of the Achilles and a couple of other tendons in my feet. Didn't seek medical attention until much later. Took me out of any serious activity for at least 8 months, almost a year. Still doesn't perform as well as it used to, and I sometimes get shooting pains in the ankles/lower legs, sometimes coinciding with activity, sometimes not. I would suggest seeking medical attention and therapy if you suspect there's any tear, let alone a full tear. Stay Sharp, Joe S. ------------------------------ From: "Randall M. Brannan" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Jacket, belt, chain, etc and dagger "BILL MCGRATH" asked: >PS. Who knows the English word whose Latin root means "on the left side"? I think it's "Sinister." The right side would be "Dexter." Randy B. ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:00:35 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #253 In a message dated 99-06-14 17:29:49 EDT, you write: << "Anybody know if FMA uses coats, jackets etc... with the use of edged weapons or with stick. Is there any instruction to be had on this subject. Are there any really good books, videos etc...? Comments? >> Not to brag, but you can get a pretty good expanded version of some of the realities of weapon use Tuhon was talking about in my improvised weapon book "Pool Cues, Beer Bottles and Baseball bats" Animal ------------------------------ From: Cplr50@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:56:38 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re:ho knows the English word In a message dated 6/14/1999 5:29:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << PS. Who knows the English word whose Latin root means "on the left side"? >> Sinester...mwhahahahahahahha!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 12:05:16 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Achilles and antibiotics > I >remember hearing that certain antibiotics temporally weaken the tendons. >Have any doctors on the list heard this? If so, which ones and how long does >this effect last? The group of antibiotics called quinolones (Ciprofloxacin, Norfloxacin, Ofloxacin) are said to cause tendinitis and sometimes tendon rupture. I can testify to the tendinitis bit. I spent most of last year's spring, summer and early fall limping around with Achilles tendon pains. I thought it was due to tennis shoes I bought early in the season and then pounding the feet on hard courts without allowing sufficient rest. Only later did I realize that it was most likely due to a couple of long courses of Ciprofloxacin and Ofloxacin... Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 12:08:36 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Latin words >PS. Who knows the English word whose Latin root means "on the left side"? > > Sinister? Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Bakbakan@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:43:01 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Great Eskrima Fighters To the westerners it's Villabrille, Dizon and Cabales. In the Philippines it's Antonio "Tatang" Ilustrisimo! ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:43:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Gurkha Knife Training >Dubbed the bravest of the brave" by a british knight after World War 1, these slashers are >feared the world over for their mastery of the kukri. They use the 13 >inch double edged blade to slice'n'dice enemies, then take the heads as >trophies. Kukris(khukuris) aren't double edged, and their blades(for utility and combat use) range from 9" to around 15" long. Here's some interesting sites for you: http://members.aol.com/himimp/index.html#HIMALAYAN IMPORTS HOME PAGE http://www.cystern.com/khukuri/ ------------------------------ From: Kurokuwa@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:51:43 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #253 In a message dated 6/14/99 2:34:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: Tuhon Bill McGrath asked: PS. Who knows the English word whose Latin root means "on the left side"? Tuhon, I'm not certain if this is what you're referring to, but it might be "diestra" for right and "siniestra" for left. The English derivation would be sinister. La mano siniestra, or the sinister hand, was the same one that held the (left-hand) dagger, or "main gauche." James Loriega New York Ninpokai ------------------------------ From: Paolo Valladolid Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:37:03 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Great Eskrima Fighters >From: " " >Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 11:50:47 -0700 >Subject: eskrima: Great Eskrima Fighters > >Greatest Eskrima Fighters > >I am here to discuss the three most popular and, perhaps, greatest Eskrima fighters of all-time. Floro Villabrille, Angel Cabales, and Felicimo Dixon. >Feel free to respond with you opinions, arguments or suggestions! > >Floro Villabrille  The venerable stick-fighting master who fought hundreds of full-contact weapons matches during his lifetime, many of which did not end until one fighter was left incapacitated or dead. Villabrille never lost one of these death matches. He was said to have superhuman strength and could not only punch nails through 2x4s with his bare fists, but then could pull the nail out with his hand. My Arnis teacher, Master Narrie Babao, in one of his Filipino culture and history lectures told us a story about Villabrille (the Villabrille Kali is one of the three systems he teaches). He began it with a little "I'm just telling you what I was told" speech and a wink. :) Then he proceeded to tell us the following: Villabrille and Dizon trained together under the instruction of a blind princess who lived in a cave under a waterfall (or something like that). Sometime later, Villabrille somehow infuriated a Moro Prince so they ended up in a stickfighting duel. Villabrille was getting beat up pretty bad because the prince kept jumping over him and hitting him many times while flipping over him in midair. Finally, Villabrille killed the prince with one well-timed strike to the head. Because he killed the prince, he instantly made many enemies and was forced to flee to Hawaii. This next story I may have gotten wrong since it was a while back that I heard this one from Master Babao, but it involves Koichi Tohei: A man named Tohei arrived in Hawaii to promote the new Japanese art of Aikido. One day, he stood on a platform and challenged any comer to take him in a fight. So some guys called out, "Hey, Villabrille! Come over here!". When Tohei saw that the man they were calling was the guy lifting oil barrels two at a time, holding one WITH EACH HAND, he declined to fight him. Paolo ------------------------------ From: "C. Herrman" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:56:18 -0400 Subject: eskrima: correction Last issue Dr. Barber wrote: >I am trying to locate both Dr. Yvonne Reiss and Guro Chris Herman. I have to nip this one in the bud - I am NOT a Guro. Just Chris Herrman! Dedicated student, perhaps, but very far from being a Guro! I am still living/training in Boston and study under Sifu Jason Silverman at Executive Edge Martial Development. Sifu Jason can be reached at: grappler@earthlink.net I'm sure both of your students would be more than welcome at the school. Respectfully, Chris H. citrus7@erols.com Student: EEMD, Boston, MA ------------------------------ From: Paolo Valladolid Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:02:09 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Fred Lazo? Can anyone tell me about Fred Lazo? I see him listed as an instructor in Zephyr Hills, FL. Thanks, Paolo ------------------------------ From: "Michael Kitchen" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:23:36 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Cut-Sew-n-Go Saw the bone-doc yesterday. Yep, ruptured achillies tendon. Today at 4:15 PM I have out-patient surgery. I have to be there 2 hours early for prep and other misc things. The operation lasts about 1.5 - 2 hours and I will be able to go home about 2 hours post-op. I elected for the total 'knock-out' vice a leg block/numbing--'cause who wants to hear the doctors carping about insurance paper-work (although, I could join that conversation easily enough--I went by yesterday and did the registration, geeze) and their last golf game (just kidding Doctors). So it's 'Cut-Sew-n-Go.' I showed Doctor 'G' the article from the www.biomech.com archives on achillies tendon rehabilitation. He recognized the Drs. who wrote the article and agreed to let me follow with their agressive rehab program/schedule (although, it is not much different from his.) (The article is 'Managing Achilles Tendon Disorders in the Athlete: from Stretching to Surgery'). This, followed carefully, will keep my down-time to a minimum. This treatment follows in the present-day thought/care of knee rehab. I had knee surgery/aftercare in 1976 and was in the hospital for 6 days and in casts/crutches for 6 months (about). It seems today, unless really major reconstruction, that knee surgery is mostly out-patient with agressive mobility rehab. Kind of the the "use it or loose it" school of thought. So, for me..Muay Thai is out for a while but I know I am going to be swinging a lot of sticks. Anybody know a really good one-leg stick-n-crutch seguda? Best Regards, Michael Kitchen ------------------------------ From: Rick Lindquist Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 01:37:25 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Heal, Achille's heel. (Longer than I intended, sorry, Ray). > Tuhon Bill wrote: > > A 45 year old supervisor at work had a complete Achilles separation > during a > basket ball game. He came down from a rebound and heard a "SNAP" and > went > down. It took him about a year to fully recover, but he was 75% back > in 6 > months he said. This is a exactly right, a " typical" experience with this problem. You don't comment on whether he had open repair (surgery) or not. The "traditional" wisdom, whatever that is, has held that an "open repair leads to a faster rate of recovery but about the same eventual outcome at 1 to 2 years as treating in a "closed" method (casting in plantarflexion) . What that means is that people tend to do about the same over long enough time regardless of how they are treated IF (great big IF) they are treated appropriately. Inappropriately treated would be if someone assumed that they all do ok whether they are treated or not. so it doesn't matter. Ehhhhh! (loud gong sound). Wrong answer! I haven't felt anyone advocating that here but it comes up enough to merit comment. Getting older is NOT for wimps. When and if my achilles tears I'm having the surgery, assuming I can afford it. > Twin Labs "Joint Fuel" has L-Glutamine (as Glucosomine Sulfate) > Chondriotin > and some other things in it to heal > tendons. It has helped me with my dings and strains and has a good > rep. Short answer: It may not help but probably doesn't hurt. There is no scientific evidence to suggest it helps. There is no scientific evidence to assume it hurts. There is lots of anecdotal evidence to suggest it may help. If one can afford it, go for it. If you can't afford it, don't feel guilty. Eat the best you can and train smart. > I remember hearing that certain antibiotics temporally weaken the > tendons. > Have any doctors on the list heard this? Yes. > If so, which ones and how long does > this effect last? 1) All substituted fluoroquinolones, so far. (Cipro, Noroxin, Trovan and similar meds. All really useful, I might add, in the right place. I don't know how long the effect lasts. I speculate that it would be from 2 to 6 weeks, ranging from the length they would be prescribed (10- 14 days) to the length of typical 90% tissue healing (6 wks +/-). I am not aware of any good literature on this. It is significant that the manufacture of "Cipro"( registered trademark) mentions this in the medication informational insert, as do others. There are also reported cases of tendon rupture on the med. This may or may not be significant, but probably is. If I have to be on these drugs I will go easy for 6 weeks and go build from there. I'm also an "old fart" (no patent pending) and know I'm certainly not immortal, although parts of me may be. 2) Non Steroidal Anti Inflammatory Drugs, "NSAIDS", (Ibuprofen, Naproxen, etc.), AKA Advil, Aleve, Orudis, have all been theoretically implicated in causing connective tissue weakness. The farther we go, the less significant this seems to be. I don't personally worry about taking advil if I have a ache or pain. I also don't take much of these meds since my stomach rebels, even if I do take them with food (a good idea). Another poster commented (my software lost the name and I can't merge this reply and the original, sorry): > Although I have not personally experienced this injury (and have no > desire > to) at least two friends have experienced it. (Interestingly enough > both > are police officers that tore their achilles in short foot chases > when they > were "cold" i.e.-they jumped out of their crusiers and ran). > > I picked up a book called "Martial Arts Injuries" by Joseph > Estwanik(?)M.D. > Dr.Estwanik shows pictures of an achilles tear and explains that the > tendon > is under "tension" and when the tear occurs the ends may be > seperated by a > distance (both ends look very similar to a mop head). Dr.Estwanik > goes on > to explain that there is no way that scar tissue can form because > the > distance is to great (this apparantly has been a past > recommendation-casting > and waiting for scar tissue to mend the tendon). See the above, still a "reasonable" treatment, although second best, I think. > In addition scar tissue is > subject to retearing. Estwanik's recomendation "surgical repair." > Now, my > fiance is a physical therapist and she has reminded me that there is > a > difference between a partial tear and a full tear. True thing, although usually a partial tear acts enough like a full tear to merit the same treatment.And God help the MD who misses a partial tear and has a patient go on to rupture the "it's ok, just take it easy" tendon later on. > Only an orthopod can > make a proper diagnoses. Not quite a true thing, but pretty close. Find someone who deals with these injuries regularly and can make a correct diagnosis. The full tears are easy, the partial ones may (repeat, may) need an MRI. That someone may be a good ER doc, non surgical Sports Med doc, Podiatrist, Physical Medicine doc, Orthopedist, or a good Family Practice doc. The point is well taken though, that not everyone will get the diagnosis, and potential treatment, right. > Recovery depends on the severity of the injury. > The last friend to have this injury is a jiu-jitsu player that has > made a > full recovery and is back training post surgery and rehab (several > months). > > As an ACL knee reconstruction patient I can attest that 6 months to > one year > until you feel 100% is not uncommon. Good point. The two injuries have a lot in common with respect to frustration level, misery index, and length of recovery. Glad you're doing well. > > > Good luck and listen to your doctor, Find someone you can trust. And God Speed in your recovery. And cross train, watch film, roll on the ground, work carrenza. etc., whatever it takes to keep playing. Regards and best wishes, Rick Lindquist (MD, Sports Med. This is what I do for a living) > > ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:47:08 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Mindset... >Tuhon Bill McGrath >PS. Who knows the English word whose Latin root means "on the left side"? ...sinister....;) I've been reading about the "weapons at hand" practice, and have suggested it to my Sifu. We've mostly stuck to stick/knife work up until now, simply because there weren't enough advanced students. We've done a bit with staff, and heavy (ie 2-handed grip) single stick, and even a couple of sumbradas with shinai (i'm 5'1", the shinai is 4' :) to get the feel of different weapons. I usually carry some sort of purse, and being a packrat I keep everything (books, clothes, wallet, training clothes, paperwork, kitchen sink) in it. I know that if I ever heave it at someone, damage will be done; however, we have a lot of women joining our beginner classes, and they do not yet have the mindset of purse/shoe/etc = weapon. Is there a way to develop the 'aware' mindset without making women paranoid, or coming off sounding like some fighting-obsessed paranoiac? (i'm not, but i could be....;) Any suggestions welcome jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #254 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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