From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #257 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 17 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 257 In this issue: eskrima: Bando (thaing) and Kali/Eskrima eskrima: Villabrille eskrima: Sundry eskrima: the_dojang [none] [none] eskrima: Re: Simplicity eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ruwach Design Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:02:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Bando (thaing) and Kali/Eskrima I wanted to ask, those that are familiar with Bando and Kali/Eskrima. In Bando, there is a complete system devoted to weaponry (Usually refered to as "banshei",) As a subset, stick fighting is system all in itself, in both defensive and offensive uses. In the more advance levels in Bando, once you start practicing in a certain animal style, the way the weapons, specifically the stick, are/is used can vary. In your opinion, how well do you think the knowledge of one art can compliment the other. Thank you, Jose _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Mark Harrell Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:25:31 PDT Subject: eskrima: Villabrille You wrote: ****************************************************************** From: Paolo Valladolid Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:50:25 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Villabrille stories ...... My source that I cited for these folk tales is more that aware of where the headquarters of the Villabrille-Largusa organization are. I saw his instructor's certificate from Ben Largusa which he keeps framed and hanging on a wall in his garage. >Paolo, >Please do not misinterpret my post. I was not responding >to you personally. For example: from the above response you gave it sounds >as if you were somehow offended. My post was written for >everyone here, not to you personally and definately not to offend you. >There are probably many people who read this EskrimaDigest who >are not be >aware of the location of the Villabrille-Largusa Kali >systems governing >body, the Kali Association of America. >Peace be with you, >Guro Harrell _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:15:50 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Sundry A Howl of Greeting to All: Big tail wags to Al the Fish for his kind words on my article. In answer to his question about our term "merge", which we take from GM Estalilla's Kabaroan Eskrima: A merge is halfway between a meet and a follow. In the hope of clarifying, imagine a bolo fight. Fighter A is in a high forehand position and Fighter B is in a low backhand position. A launches a slash at the left side of B's neck (i.e. a number 1 in most numbering systems) B strikes the incoming slash aside with a rising backhand, the edge of which strikes A's blade on its flat. Another example: The umbrella as taught by Top Dog in DB#4. A few months back in the technique of the month on the DBIMA webpage there was an excerpt from my first staff fight showing a merge as well. Hope this helps. NB that most of us will have an easier time applying a merge to strikes subsequent to the initial strike of an exchange. Someone who missed my seminar in England asked about it. There is a write-up at www.fightingsystems.com/news.HTM Concerning GM Luna and his LSA: I very much enjoyed the one evening seminar that GM Luna, assisted by Elmer Ibanez, gave at the Inosanto Academy. To the description that Ray posted I would add that there is a lot of unmatched leads (left vs right) in the various categories (single, E&D, etc.) If I am not mistaken, GM L is a lefty. Given the interest in such matters in DBMA, I found this intriguing. Concerning Floro Villabraille: Guro I. speaks of his being able to husk coconuts with his bare hands, which is quite extraordinary to say the least. Such a grip would add considerable substance to the grappling category of his art. Concerning undefeated champions: How many islands are there in the RP? over 7,000? how many languages? over 100? Apart from the near universal human capacity to improve the truth, it seems to me very easy to understand that a lot of these guys just didn't meet up. Thus in the related vein of discussing who were the great fighters, none of whom we've ever seen in action, and only a handful of whom we've seen move in video, IMHO we need to be honest that most of us simply favor the heroes of our lineage. I know I do. That said, occasionally one is blessed to have the curtains of time lifted for an instant. While in England I got to see a most extraordinary video from someone's personal collection. The depth and variety of the FMA are truly incredible and there were and are many stellar men of whom we have never heard-- and many of them want it that way. One of the men I saw in this tape of whom I had heard but never seen, was one of the ones who impressed me most: Ancion Bacon. Wow! From what I could tell, the training drills were very aggressive and well grounded in a realistic understanding of forward pressure-- something that IMHO is sometimes lacking in the training of some. I also like the integration of the live hand and in this regard was shown one technique that I wish to acknowledge has been added to the DBMA repertoire. I had first experienced a taste of the Balintawak left hand in a one day seminar with Bobby Taboada (who appeared in the tape with GM Bacon BTW) and it was nice to actually pick up something in this regard. And on a personal note, I had a great time on my trip. My thanks to Krishna Godhania for hosting me in England and Alfonso Acosta Gil in Spain. I did a couple of technique sequences for the UK Martial Arts Illustrated (i.e. it has the same name as the USA magazine, but is completely unrelated) and wrote an article for them which should be appearing in a couple of months. It was fun meeting editor Bob Sykes with whom I had only chatted on the phone previously. MA mag editors tend to have unique perspective on the MAs and Bob's is quite humorous. I got to train with BJJ Black Belt Mauricio Gomez (one of only 5 black belts under the legendary Rolls Gracie) twice (thanks for the rides Krishna!) who showed me a really neat way of doing knee control in addition to effortlessly kicking my butt. In Spain I was in Cartagena (southern Mediterranean coast) which was a warm and sunny contrast to the green and rainy countryside of where I had been in England. My Mexican Spanish was mostly understood except for a few humorous interludes. In NYC I arrived several days early to help DBMA Sr. Lakan Guro Nick "C-Raw Dog" Sacoulas get his boys Danny and Rodney get ready for Allen Sachetti's tournament in Delaware this coming weekend. One day was spent fooling around on the beach doing push hands with Dog Michael Blake-- although with all the silat we were throwing in some purists may not have approved. As for the seminar, Nick had limited attendance to 20 known to him which allowed me to get into things in greater depth. Outside of my backyard students Nick has been shown more of DBMA than anyone else. I am pleased with the way I see his students manifesting the material and look forward to his and their continued growth. Woof, Crafty Dog Announcement: I have spoken with the rest of the Council of Elders and Dale Franks is now "Dog" Dale Franks. Crafty Dog, GF. Announcement: Krishna Godhania is now a "Personal Trainer" in DBMA Guro Crafty ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: the_dojang For those that might be interested in the other list that I administer. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you practice Korean martial arts? e.g. Tang Soo Do, HwaRang Do, Kuk Sool Won, Taekwondo, TaekKyon, Hapkido, Soo Bahk Do, Kumdo, Yudo, Ship Pal Ki, Yu Sool, Kong Soo Do, Kung Jung Moo Sool, etc. Our readers range from 9th gup (white belt) to 9th Dan. Come practice with us at the "the_dojang-digest", 5+ years of continuous operation. the_dojang-digest is a 725 member e-mail distribution list for the respectful discussion of all Korean martial arts, for those wheresoever dispersed around the globe. All are welcome! The list is managed by "Majordomo". To subscribe to the_dojang-digest send e-mail to the address; majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com with subscribe the_dojang-digest in the BODY of the message, top line and left justified (not in the subject line). Also, make sure your e-mail is not in HTML format. Brought to you by http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:26:26 +0800 Subject: [none] A system which stresses, both, speed and power in the execution of techniques encompassing solo and doble baston, Espada y Daga and empty hand and foot combinations. The key emphasis being the "blanketing" or "closing off" of an opponent's impending attack either by meeting the strike via a simultaneous hit and counter or any various combinations of disarms which would effectively neutralize any further or secondary followups from the attacker. major players : Elmer Ybanez, Felipe Jocano Jr. Fil Buena, Nathan Dominguez, Manolo Del Rosario, Joshua Medros, Gerrard Torio Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Hey Ray, I couldn't have places it better. I haven't worked with Mang Ben for a couple of years, has anyone been pushing his style in the US? I tried to help him a while ago but nothing came of it. I talked to Cecil Quirino a couple of weeks ago in Manila, look out for new blades coming out next year which are supposed to be of excellent (better than current standards. Something to do with using and processing steel that will cut through steel, yet bend to 90 degrees) quality. LSPIII ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:14:13 -0700 Subject: [none] A friend forwarded me this post: >Subject: Re: Knife Fighting Simplicity <> >Not hardly Jim. I have seen two people stabbed to death with me right in the same room with them and yet i never even saw a knife or the knifer. >Another reality is that these arts often get heavily into knife vs knife. But in the real world only one guy will have a knife and the other guy must try too defend unarmed or escape. < >I was attacked by this guy who I had thought just threw a fast punch to me head. I dropped him and pinned him on his belly with an arm bar and only then did i see that i was bleeding on my arm and that he had attacked me with a knife. By the way, he was sent back to prison after that incident. >Just like hand to hand fighting in the martial arts world , knife instruction just makes it seem so much more complex than it can ever really get in the real world. It is almost naturaly that way becasue the basics that cover 99% of the situations can be covered in a few lessons. But that won't pay the bills for an instructor long term. >Besides, most people takeing "knife fighting" lessons or seminars are just there to put some sense of adventure in their lives. They do not really in their hearts feel they will ever be in knife fight so the practical self defense elemnt is not really directly that presing with them. They learn some 'tricks" so that they can demonstrate and thus impress their "unschooled" pals with later on. Not so diffrent from the average martial arts student in that respect. >I have video clip taken covertly in prison that shows cons practiceing their knife attacks with toothbrushes. What they do is absolutely basic and they are practiseing the icepick grip with the downward "hammer fist" strike to the neck exclusively as far as that short clip is concerned. I think that shows the reality of it right there. There primary concern is surprise and ambush, not " technique" at all. This is the true way of the knife. Peyton The author is Peyton Quinn of the books, "A Bouncer's Guide to Barroom Brawling" and "Real Fighting" and several videos available through Paladin Press. I have read both of Mr. Quinn's books as well as having seen a couple of his videos. I mostly enjoy his material in both book & video form. A curious thing is that in one of his videos Quinn recommends attending a Modern Arnis seminar and highly recommending Professor Remy Presas. I'm just curious about ED readers thoughts on Mr. Quinn's opinions... By the way, Mr. Quinn recommends learning self defense or fighting at his training program which uses "bullet men" who are heavily armoured in padded suits. These are similar in some ways to the Hitman, Redman or FIST suits we use in training police officers. No offense is intended towards Mr. Quinn or his training program. KD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Simplicity > A friend forwarded me this post: > > >Subject: Re: Knife Fighting Simplicity ??? Is there new info here? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #257 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.