From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #258 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 18 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 258 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #257 eskrima: Re: Villabrille eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #257 eskrima: Luis on Cecil Quirino eskrima: Left Vs. Right Stick fighting eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Casto Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #257 << Another reality is that these arts often get heavily into knife vs knife. But in the real world only one guy will have a knife and the other guy must try too defend unarmed or escape. >> This thread came up a while ago. I don't remember if it was here or on RMA. If it was here, then I apolgize beforehand for this redundant post on my part. However, I think that this is an interesting point and people who haven't read it may be interested. Something that people overlook is that a lot of the "knife vs. knife" in the FMA (at least what I've seen of it) isn't really about "knife vs. knife." Both people are doing the drills and feeding off of each others energy while learning concepts applicable to wielding a knife as well as defending against it. However, these are usually for the purpose of "maximum effect, minimum effort." (i.e.: if both people run the drill with knives, then there is twice as much training happening than if only one of them has a knife). I'm not sure that I'm explaining myself all that well, but I hope I'm getting my point across :-) Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Paolo Valladolid Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:23:45 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Villabrille >From: Mark Harrell >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:25:31 PDT >Subject: eskrima: Villabrille > >You wrote: >****************************************************************** >From: Paolo Valladolid >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 00:50:25 -0400 >Subject: eskrima: Villabrille stories > >...... >My source that I cited for these folk tales is more that aware of where the >headquarters of the Villabrille-Largusa organization are. >I saw his instructor's certificate from Ben Largusa which he keeps framed >and hanging on a wall in his garage. > >>Paolo, > >>Please do not misinterpret my post. I was not responding >>to you personally. For example: from the above response you gave it sounds >>as if you were somehow offended. My post was written for >>everyone here, not to you personally and definately not to offend you. >>There are probably many people who read this EskrimaDigest who >are not be >>aware of the location of the Villabrille-Largusa Kali >systems governing >>body, the Kali Association of America. > >>Peace be with you, >>Guro Harrell Hi Guro, No offense was taken. Its just that you quoted parts of my post in your post about Villabrille facts and fiction. The way you quoted my post made it look like my teacher was telling these stories as if he genuinely believed they really happened (from the way he was smiling as he related them to us, I can assure you he did not) and so I just wanted to make sure it is understood that my teacher was not presenting the Villabrille stories as Holy Truth when he was telling them to us in class. Anyway, I look forward to reading more posts from you about Villabrille Kali and FMA in general. Thanks, Paolo ------------------------------ From: "Cartlon H. Fung,D.D.S." Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:56:46 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #257 >From: "Marc Denny" >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:15:50 -0700 >Subject: eskrima: Sundry > > >Announcement: I have spoken with the rest of the Council of Elders and >Dale Franks is now "Dog" Dale Franks. > >Crafty Dog, GF. Crafty, Is this our Dale Frank the Fitness Trainer in Redondo? If yes then it is Dale Frank old JKD Class guy from the 70's. Jeff and I train with them fairly regularly. We nicknamed him "Island dog" after your last gathering because he has that little island of hair left ala Gorbechev on his thining haired head. How about that name? Regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Engpa Neps Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:21:23 +0800 (PHT) Subject: eskrima: Luis on Cecil Quirino Luis Pellicer wrote: >I talked to Cecil Quirino a couple of weeks ago in Manila, look out for new >blades coming out next year which are supposed to be of excellent (better >than current standards. Something to do with using and processing steel >that will cut through steel, yet bend to 90 degrees) quality. >LSPIII And Engpa asks: Luis, I live in Manila and I'd really like to get in touch with Cecil. Can you help me? An e-mail address, contact #, or even a snail-mail address will be most appreciated. You can e-mail me privately if the info is confidential. Thanks, Engpa P.S. -- I'd like to say hello to listmember DANNY ALVENDIA, with whom my eskrima correspondence has been put on hold. Danny, kumusta na? Pasenya na muna, ha. ------------------------------ From: Mike_Worth@cfins.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 08:49:28 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Left Vs. Right Stick fighting Interesting that you brought that up.... This brings up an interesting concept; that many martial arts styles are not necessarily the strategic best for everyone, but for the master/instructor who started it. Case in point: Modern Arnis (one of the styles that I train in) has a very in-depth single stick flow drill called Tapi-Tapi, which is orignally learned with the "driver" or "controller" in left chamber, and the "reactor" in righ chamber; it's a lot of traps and lock flows done in medio range.... what makes it interesting is that Remy Presas doesn't teach R. on R. Tapi-Tapi until you've learned a lot of L. on R. Tapi-tapi, despite the fact that most people are more proficient in a R. on R. scenario. The reason? Remy is a southpaw, and many of his stickfights were L. on R. He needed training drills to keep himself sharp, and evolved these forms as a means to keep his attacking mindset sharp. BTW, the Tapi-tapi drills that Remy teaches are pretty nice; as is typical of Gm Presas' approach to Modern Arnis, there is a lot of locking with the stick within these flow drills, but also some nice traps and redirecting of the energy (Palis-Palis). Definitely an interesting thing to study if you wish to pick up one person's interpretation of L. on R. stickwork; like the box drill, it brings out a lot of reflexes and movement. Incidentally, is there anyone out there who practices Balintawak who could compare the Balintawak flow exercises to these Modern Arnis drills? I know Professor Presas originally studied Balintawak for a long time; I'd be interested to see how he developed these drills from his initial training. All the best, Mike Worth ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #258 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.