From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #259 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 18 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 259 In this issue: eskrima: GURO DAN SUMMER CAMP/PRICES-TIMES-ECT.ECT. eskrima: Re: doggy paddling in the islands eskrima: SIMPLICITY IN KNIFE FIGHTING eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #258 eskrima: Lapu Lapu Stickfighting Tournament eskrima: Lapu Lapu Classic(More Info) eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Homo Howie Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 09:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: GURO DAN SUMMER CAMP/PRICES-TIMES-ECT.ECT. Hello Stickpeople, GATEWAY REGIONAL SUMMER CAMP Featuring Guro Dan Inosanto WHEN: July 8 (Thursday)....4p.m to 10p.m July 9 (Friday)......4p.m to 10p.m July 10 (Saturday)...10a.m to 4p.m July 11 (Sunday).....10a.m to 4p.m WHERE:Saint Louis COST:Pre-register before july 1 4days $275 3 days $205 2 days $140 1 day $85 COST:Register after july 1 4 days $295 3days $225 2 days $150 1 day $85 DISCOUNTS: 1. Instructors certified by Guro Dan :10% off seminar fee. 2. Instructors bringing 4 or more students:50% off the instructors fee' QUESTIONS? Call 314-861-1585 Cordially, Stickboy ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:48:06 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: doggy paddling in the islands A Howl etc: Carlton wrote: > >Announcement: I have spoken with the rest of the Council of Elders and > >Dale Franks is now "Dog" Dale Franks. > > > >Crafty Dog, GF. > > Crafty, > > Is this our Dale Frank the Fitness Trainer in Redondo? If yes then it is > Dale Frank old JKD Class guy from the 70's. Jeff and I train with them > fairly regularly. We nicknamed him "Island dog" after your last gathering > because he has that little island of hair left ala Gorbechev on his thining > haired head. How about that name? Yes it is. Dale was my opponent in both my staff fights and I thought he fought very well and with good spirit as he did in his other fights as well. I broached the subject with Salty and Top and they immediately knew to whom I was referring-- they too were impressed with the quality of his spirit as well as skill. As for "Island Dog", well though he may be headed that way, he ain't a Dog Brother yet-- but it sounds like a good name to me if and when he gets there. Crafty ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:30:17 -0700 Subject: eskrima: SIMPLICITY IN KNIFE FIGHTING "I've seen quite a number of knife fighting videos (and want to see many more). Most start out more or less the same; with the Philipino techniques, which seem to be about the best around for using the cold steel. They start simple, and progress to intricate, complicated moves. It bothers me. Am I alone?>> One has to be careful in judging what "works" in knifefighting. If your only experience with knifefighting is with wooden or rubber knives in a school then it is easy to mistake "what cuts him first" for "what stops him first". I sometimes start one of my knife seminars at a new school with sparring just to see where the people are at in that location. I often see people "playing tag" I.e. going for one single cut with no follow-up or ready back-up technique. This is simple and seems to "work" if both participants are willing to play this game, but it will get them killed against an opponent who won't. When I see this I usually break them and tell one guy to attack as if he was a drunk or a psycho and wasn't worried about getting cut from his opponents' 4 inch pocketknife. I also tell him to not think about knife technique but hold the knife and "just box him". Well you can imagine what happens if the other guy continues to try and play one cut "tag" - he gets his head taken off. Dealing with an armed, aggressive attacker may require more than one "simple" move. My point here is that what may be viewed as "complex" techniques in knife work were developed by cultures whose combat experience taught them how incredibly (and unpredictably) difficult human beings are to stop when their adrenaline is up, (especially with something so lacking in "stopping power" as a small knife). Cutting someone's arm off with a bolo as long as your forearm requires a relatively "simple" movement compared with having to gain control of an aggressive, moving opponent's weapon arm when you are armed with something as small as a pocketknife. It's analogous to shooting someone with a large bore rifle compared to a small bore handgun. As the "stopping power" of your ammunition goes down, the importance of shot placement, cover, and multiple shots (I.e. the "complexity") goes up. "Simple" and "Complex" are relative terms. I consider Pekiti-Tirsia knife technique fairly "simple" if one looks at it one grip at a time and not at the whole body of technique. One can get overwhelmed by the task of learning a large body of technique if one forgets the difference between the amount of knowledge a fighter needs to survive as opposed to the amount a teacher training many different types of individual fighters needs to know. If you are going to carry only one knife and are not going to teach, the amount of material you need to know is cut down significantly compared to what you need to know as an instructor. I am currently teaching Pekiti-Tirsia knife based on (depending the on grip) 5 to 6 basic drills. PT knife is based on dealing with 3 basic categories of attacks: forehand, backhand and centerline. The 6 basic drills are: 1. Passing. A parrying drill that teaches you how to redirect the opponents' force. 2. Scissors. Cutting the tendons in the wrist. 3. Locking. Four basic locks. 4. Quick Entries. As the name implies. 5. Disarms. 6. Tapping. This is a drill I sometimes teach based on empty hand vs knife tapping as a transition drill between hand vs knife and knife to knife. Given the time, I like to teach most drills in three stages, when applicable: Hand vs. knife Closed folder vs knife with opening drills. (I took some cheap Taiwanese "Emersons" and dulled them down) Knife vs. knife. Each drill focuses on one particular principle vs. the three categories of attack. In the passing drill, you practice parrying the three basic angles of attack. The locking drill has four locks. One of these is an inside wrist lock. You learn to put your opponent into an inside wrist lock as he attacks you from three different angles. You are learning not only how to counter different angles, but the transitions between the angles as well. After you have mastered each drill individually, you practice them in a random pattern flowing from an attack that is dealt with under one theory to another attack that is dealt with under a second theory. It is much like the way one learns read, write and speak. You start off learning your basic letters or simple words, then grammar and syntax. You learn to make simple sentences. Pretty soon you are debating politics with your next door neighbor. It is only if someone new to your language walks into the room would they consider your debate "complex". Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: butch@epix.net Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 18:08:10 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #258 > From: Mike Casto > > Another reality is that these arts often get > heavily into knife vs knife. But in the real world > only one guy will have a knife and the other guy must > try too defend unarmed or escape. > I'm not sure that I'm explaining myself all that well, > but I hope I'm getting my point across :-) > Me: Yes Mike, I know what you are getting at. Been there and done that. At Joerg's American Karate Studio a couple of years ago, we wanted to develope a basic knife course that covered most street reality in regards to knife defense. We developed a course which we broke into 4 conceptual edged and pointed weapons styles that you may encounter. After all, in order to defend against edged or pointed weapons, you must be familiar with how they are used against you. Here is a short description of our entire course. 1. Basic styles of sword fencing: foil, epee, saber (your sport oriented stuff) and escrima sword basics. 2. Military knife fighting - based on John Styers of "Cold Steel" fame using large bladed knives and other techniques I learned from X special forces buddies. After all, some military people learned a few tricks and go criminal also. You got to know how they fight. 3. Asian Knife Fighting - styles drawing from hard asian styles and the fma. 4. Street Style which is your grab and stab surprise attack which you never see coming and you are unarmed when attacked. We considered this the most dangerous style to encounter. Really simple too. Basically, we emphasized how criminals may attack you on the street and that you should always be aware of your environment and the people in it to avoid being surprised. Thus, awareness was emphasized as the best defense. Also: Unarmed Against The Knife techniques - was the last part of the course which was probably the most important because of para 4 above. So we took the basics of many styles and techniques to give everybody a well rounded knowledge of the knife fighting situation. We figured it would at least give people a chance to survive if anything. The course was not designed to make people professional knife fighters. For the most part, we had lots of fun doing it. The problem was getting the research done. It is not easy. (plug) If anybody in the Central Pennsylvania area is interested in knowing more about Joerg's American Karate Studio teaching kick boxing, point and full contact karate and home of the West Shore Boxing Club providing instruction in western boxing,please call 717 697-2941. Owner is Master Tom Joerg, president of the Keystone International Kickboxing Association, promoting functions such as the "Battle of Harrisburg" and "Breath of Nature" kick boxing tournaments. Joerg's studio is also the home of the Raging Bull Kickboxing Tournaments with state, national and international recognition. Full sized boxing ring available in the studio. Butch ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:01:46 EDT Subject: eskrima: Lapu Lapu Stickfighting Tournament Guro Doug Pierre is hosting the 5th. Annual Lapu Lapu Classic stickfighting tournament on Sunday, June 20, 1999. Registration is form 9:00am to 11:00am. The cost for spectators is $10. Seating is limited!! FMA Systems competing: Kali Illustrisimo, Modern Arnis, Doce Pares, Vee Arnis Jitsu, Pekiti Tirsia, Lameco Eskrima, JKD, Balintawak Arnis, etc. Contact Guro Doug Pierre at: Phone: 212-614-3250 E-mail: Guro Doug@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:03:43 EDT Subject: eskrima: Lapu Lapu Classic(More Info) The tournament is being held at: Lincoln Square Community Center 250 West 65th. Street New York City ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 18:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #259 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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