From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #260 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 20 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 260 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #259 eskrima: Re: Pekiti Tirsia knife eskrima: FMA FAQ eskrima: Marc Denny, video, Duels and G.M. Bacom eskrima: Happy Dad's Day eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Casto Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 22:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #259 Hi Butch, in the previous digest, you started your post with this: > From: Mike Casto > > Another reality is that these arts often get > heavily into knife vs knife. But in the real world > only one guy will have a knife and the other guy must > try too defend unarmed or escape. It's not a big deal, but for the sake of posterity, I'd like to point out that this wasn't what I wrote. This is part of something that I quoted in my post then responded to :-) Like I said, not a big deal ... I just don't like to be misquoted :-) Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:36:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Pekiti Tirsia knife I received the following question today and since I get asked this quite often I thought I would pass the question and my response on to the digest. Tuhon McGrath... >The structure of your current presentation of PT knife reads like >something I'd like to learn. I've got a number of your tapes that were >available from Datu and am wondering: Do you have or plan to distribute >any tapes with the structure that you've recently described in the >Eskrima Digest (re: Simple/Complex)? Thanks for your response. > I have three reasons for not putting out knife fighting videos for general public sale. 1. I think it's the proliferation of "knife fighting" videos that has led to the recent increase in anti-knife legislation. I don't want to add to the problem. 2. The more widely known your technique is, the more likely it is that your students may run into someone who can counter them. I feel I have a responsibility to my students to keep Pekiti-Tirsia knife technique "in the family". 3. I remember a police officer coming up to me at a seminar in New Jersey in 1990 and telling me how his department had just made a warrant search of an outlaw biker house. They found the usual drugs and guns, but in their video collection the cops found two knife fighting videos. This shook the officer a bit (being in FMA himself), thinking what might have happened to himself or his fellow officers. Now no officers were hurt during the raid, but what if one was? What would the FMA instructor on the video have said to the family of an officer slain by a criminal with a technique he had learned off the video? "I'm sorry, but I said on the tape, 'please don't misuse this". I made a decision early on never to sell any Pekiti-Tirsia knife videos to the general public. Public tapes tend to get copied and passed around (sometimes even private ones: a video of a seminar I did on single stick disarms I gave in Texas in 1990 is now being sold on the black market in Germany). For this reason I feel that PT knife technique is too dangerous for open sale. My practice is to allow members of my organization to purchase a knife video only after they have received instruction in that specific technique. The videos are sold for review purposes to people who have had the technique formally taught to them. You are welcome to join PTI and attend seminars and purchase your knife videos after you have attended seminars on that subject, but otherwise the videos are not for sale. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: FMA FAQ Time to update the FMA FAQ. Wanna help? Check out the FMA FAQ by ftp_ing it from ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com or requesting it via Majordomo's 'get eskrima-digest FMA.FAQ' command (sent to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com) or viewing it online at http://www.martialartsresource.com. If you have an update, correction, new section to add, etc, please let me know. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "G. Michael Zimmer" Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:03:37 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Marc Denny, video, Duels and G.M. Bacom Marc Denny wrote: > Concerning undefeated champions: How many islands are there in the RP? > over 7,000? how many languages? over 100? Apart from the near universal > human capacity to improve the truth, it seems to me very easy to understand > that a lot of these guys just didn't meet up. Thus in the related vein of > discussing who were the great fighters, none of whom we've ever seen in > action, and only a handful of whom we've seen move in video, IMHO we need > to be honest that most of us simply favor the heroes of our lineage. I > know I do. Marc makes sense above. The story told me by my instructor Dr. Dom Lopez was that G.M. Venancio (Anciong) Bacon won around 130 duels. He is reputed to have travelled around the archipelago quite a bit, but how many islands could he really have visited? How many of his matches were with top contenders? There is no way to know, but it is likely that a number were. His reputation as one of the top Visayan fighters of his time was certainly deserved, according to a number of sources, one of them being Cacoy Canete (previous post by Ray Terry a long time ago). My instructor saw G.M. Bacon fight a duel, and in fact was the physician at the event. Bacon won. The other guy went into convulsions with a severe head injury. The dura matter of the top of the head was exposed by the injury. In this matter, I trust my instructor's recollection of events. From a medical perspective, treating this severity of injury would have been a matter of course to him. I wrote about this encounter in the early days of the digest, just before Marc joined. My instructor's primary teacher, Jose Villasin, is reputed to have travelled around the islands and to have fought about 40 duels. There is a story around that when he came back to Cebu, he was a little cocky, and had a friendly engagement with Anciong. Anciong butted him in the eye and he had such a swelling he was afraid he might have lost the eye. > That said, occasionally one is blessed to have the curtains of time > lifted for an instant. While in England I got to see a most extraordinary > video from someone's personal collection. The depth and variety of the FMA > are truly incredible and there were and are many stellar men of whom we > have never heard-- and many of them want it that way. One of the men I saw > in this tape of whom I had heard but never seen, was one of the ones who > impressed me most: Ancion Bacon. Wow! To say that I am a bit green with envy is an understatement. I have seen 5 seconds of Anciong on tape. I was beginning to think that there was nothing more in existence, since my queries on the ED came to nought. Note that both Rocky and I have reported stories about Anciong and duels to the digest. I suppose that if not too old, these posts would be in the archives. Rocky's teacher, G.M. Ted Buot, was Anciong's right hand man for many years, and Anciong is reported to have been very upset when G. M. Buot went to North America. G.M. Ted Buot is one of the very best eskrimadors that I have met. Tell us more about this tape please Marc. > From what I could tell, the > training drills were very aggressive and well grounded in a realistic > understanding of forward pressure-- something that IMHO is sometimes > lacking in the training of some. I also like the integration of the live > hand and in this regard was shown one technique that I wish to acknowledge > has been added to the DBMA repertoire. I had first experienced a taste of > the Balintawak left hand in a one day seminar with Bobby Taboada (who > appeared in the tape with GM Bacon BTW) and it was nice to actually pick up > something in this regard. Marc, can you go more into what you mean by "forward pressure". Also, what technique did you add to your DBMA repertoire? Regards, G. Michael Zimmer http://www.islandnet.com/~gmzimmer/vorticit.htm/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 19:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Happy Dad's Day Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there in ED-land... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 06:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #260 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.