From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #261 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 20 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 261 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #260 eskrima: achilles injury eskrima: RESULTS OF THE WKC eskrima: RESULTS OF THE WKC eskrima: seeing eye dog eskrima: Review on the WKC eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:43:37 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #260 To Tuhon McGrath, This post may seem a little behind, but I just got back from vacation, (ahhhhh, N. Carolina is paradise), and was really behind on my mail. While visiting N.C., I happened across the issue of "Inside Kung-Fu" that contained Mr. McGrath's article on knives in the FMA's. I found this article to be probably the best piece on knives and their relationship to the martial arts that I've read in quite a while. It contained several points I've tried to make about the legal issues folks will run into if carrying a knife solely for defense, plus the reality of street fighting with a knife and how ineffective a short knife can be. People tend to forget that the West is an entirely different setting than the Philippines in relation to climate, (hard to cut through a denim or leather jacket), culture (we don't normally have a bolo strapped around our waists, which is not only acceptable, but very likely the norm in rural Mindanao), and the presence of guns in everyday life in the good ol' USA. I was very happy to see that Mr. McGrath was able to put knife fighting in it's proper perspective...know knife fighting methodology to be able to defend against it, but also be cognizant of the very real limitations of the knife as a defensive weapon. I've said it before and I'll say it again here (I work for the court system, so I know what I'm talking about) , if you appear before a judge after carving up an assailant, you damn well had better have done everything in your power to have avoided using your knife before cutting up the thug, or have an unimpeachable reason why not. If it looks anything at all like you were carrying around a balisong with even the most minute intention of using it to defend against an unprovoked attack, you are going to have some serious explaining to do (if you think this is off the wall, simply go ask a judge, you will be in for an eye-opening experience). I will still practice and teach knife fighting methods for several reasons...preservation of an art form, the finesse that knife training brings to your overall training, and to be as prepared as I can in the event I will be attacked (I've already been stabbed once at work, so the likelihood of it happening again isn't so farfetched for me). HOWEVER, the most profound statement Mr. McGrath made in his excellent article concerned a person's choice of defense weapons. If you think you will need the added equalizer of a defensive weapon, then BUY A GUN and learn to use it. It is much more effective, and one whole hell of a lot easier to explain to a judge that two dozen knife wounds to a probably deserving attacker. This is a fact of life in the court system, folks, and a fact that martial artists had better wake up to. It's too late when the bailiff is leading you away handcuffed to serve time for felony battery, all due to your poor judgement. I still have to be around to raise my family...can't do it from jail, so that is a risk I'm not willing to take. Peace, Kim ------------------------------ From: Paul Hopkins Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 10:32:27 -0800 Subject: eskrima: achilles injury I recently had a flood in my house and am several weeks in arrears scanning the digest if this subject is dead I apologize but... I have had two achilles tears with closed therapy, (immobilization with a cast the first time and with a brace the second). This is purely anecdotal but I have had success in reducing the nodules caused by scarring and repeated injury by massaging the area with heat producing oils/ liniments and by drinking aloe vera gel. I am no expert on the anti inflammatory effects of aloe vera GEL but I am convinced of it's effectiveness it also seems to have a lubricating effect on the joints, ( my knees crunch less when I am drinking the gel) placebo effect? maybe.. just my 2 cents . My injuries were due to not warming up before activity. ------------------------------ From: Allen Sachetti Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:59:02 -0400 Subject: eskrima: RESULTS OF THE WKC Well here it is guys. This years WKC was the biggest ever with more and more people comming from all over giving the WKC a very diverse and articulate presentation of the Filipino Martial Arts. The results are as follows: SOLO BASTON NOVICE 1st Place - Julius Harrell Jr. / JKD / Defensive Fighting Solutions Teacher: Sifu Jeff Purefoy 2nd Place - Steve Sachs / Dog Brothers & Inosanto Blend / Progressive Martial Arts / Teacher: Nick Sacoulas 3rd Place - Nathin Gill / Kali-Silat / Teacher: Ray Parra 4th Place - Scott Bergelt SOLO BASTON INTERMEDIATE 1st Place - Shared by Rodney Libramonte and Daniel Suarez / Dog Brothers & Inosanto Blend / Progressive Martial Arts / Teacher: Nick Sacoulas 3rd Place - Brandon Strausser / Doce Pares / Teacher: Carlos Patalinghug 4th Place - Bryan Broussard / JKD, Jiu-Jitsu & Inosanto Blend / Teachers: Ray Parra, Marc Ritacco & Mark Kay SOLO BASTON ADVANCED 1st Place - Michael Blake / Krabi Krabong, Dog Brothers & Jiu-Jitsu / Teachers: Jeff Immam & Arlan Sanford 2nd Place - sharred by Jeff Purefoy & Kenny Farrow / JKD / Defensive Fighting Solutions KNIFE 1st Place - Rich Paszek / Pekiti-Tirsia / Techer: Doug Marcaida 2nd Place - Joeseph Legaspi / Doce Pares / Teacher: Carlos Patalinghug 3rd Place - Anthony Carvoe / Agas-Kilat / Teacher: Allen Sachetti EPADA Y DAGA 1st Place - Jason Marcaida / Pekiti-Tirsia / Teacher: Doug Marcaida 2nd Place - Joespeh Legaspi / Doce Pares / Teacher: Carlos Patalinghug 3rd Place - Michael Marinni / Pekiti-Tirsia / Teacher: Doug Marcaida 4th Place - Mathew Hayden / Irish Shoot Fighting / Dr. John Kuretz DUMPAG NOVICE 1st Place - Julius Harrell Jr. / JKD / Defensive Fighting Solutions / Teacher: Jeff Purefoy 2nd Place - Nathin Gill / Kali & Silat / Teacher: Ray Parra 3rd Place - Michael DiGiacomo / Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu / The Martial Arts House / Teacher: Joe Diamond 4th Place - Mathew Hayden / Irish Shoot Fighting / Teacher: Dr. John Kuretz DUMPAG ADVANCED 1st Place - Joe Diamond / Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu & Dumpag / The Martial Arts House / Teachers: Rickson Gracie & Allen Sachetti 2nd Place - Michael Blake / Krabi Krabong, Dog Brothers & Jiu-Jitsu / Teachers: Jeff Immam and Arlan Sanford 3rd Place - Sharred by Jeff Purefoy & Kenny Farrow / JKD / Defensive Fighting Solutions HALO-HALO The fighters compeating in this Division were felt somewhat limited by the time we got to this Division so the Halo-Halo Division was not held for this year. LOOK FORWARD TO THE 2000 LION HEART WKC "WORLD KALI CHAMPIONSHIPS TO BE HELD AGAIN IN NEWARK DELAWARE. FOR INFORMATION CALL 1-800-879-4574 OR WRITE: DATU INC. PO Box 9562 Newark DE. 19714 GOD BLESS TO ALL AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL EVENT ------------------------------ From: Allen Sachetti Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:59:16 -0400 Subject: eskrima: RESULTS OF THE WKC {dup of Allen's results post deleted] ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 11:13:46 -0700 Subject: eskrima: seeing eye dog A Howl of Greeting to All: > > That said, occasionally one is blessed to have the curtains of time > > lifted for an instant. While in England I got to see a most extraordinary > > video from someone's personal collection. The depth and variety of the FMA > > are truly incredible and there were and are many stellar men of whom we > > have never heard-- and many of them want it that way. One of the men I saw > > in this tape of whom I had heard but never seen, was one of the ones who > > impressed me most: Ancion Bacon. Wow! > > To say that I am a bit green with envy is an understatement. I have seen 5 > seconds of Anciong on tape. I was beginning to think that there was nothing more > in existence, since my queries on the ED came to nought. Note that both Rocky > and I have reported stories about Anciong and duels to the digest. I suppose that > if not too old, these posts would be in the archives. Rocky's teacher, G.M. Ted > Buot, was Anciong's right hand man for many years, and Anciong is reported to > have been very upset when G. M. Buot went to North America. G.M. Ted Buot is one > of the very best eskrimadors that I have met. > > Tell us more about this tape please Marc. Can you keep a secret? Yes? So can I. ;-) (Sorry, couldn't resist.) But I can tell you that I sat enthralled. I've been on the FMA path for some time now, and it is special to continue in the feeling of wonder. > > From what I could tell, the > > training drills were very aggressive and well grounded in a realistic > > understanding of forward pressure-- something that IMHO is sometimes > > lacking in the training of some. I also like the integration of the live > > hand and in this regard was shown one technique that I wish to acknowledge > > has been added to the DBMA repertoire. I had first experienced a taste of > > the Balintawak left hand in a one day seminar with Bobby Taboada (who > > appeared in the tape with GM Bacon BTW) and it was nice to actually pick up > > something in this regard. > > Marc, can you go more into what you mean by "forward pressure". Also, what > technique did you add to your DBMA repertoire? As all of us no doubt already know, in fights there is a dynamic wherein one fighter "drives" the other, even without contact or merely with weapon to weapon contact. In contrast most drills tend to be fairly stationary and thus devoid of this pressure-- which can result in a lack of understanding of how to generate or respond to it in real time. What I saw in this footage however seemed to me to have a deep understanding in this regard. As for the technique in question it is very simple and no doubt it should have occurred to me-- but it didn't! Its a way of using my live hand to do a downward scoop/monekyhand/jow sao to his live hand when it blocks my caveman punyo to his head. Those of you who train with me may understand when I say that it fits in DBMA Attacking Block Drill 1A and 1B when the crash arrives at corto-- the Attacking Blocks drill being something we use to teach, among other things, forward pressure. Woof, Crafty PS: BTW a very nice post from Bill McG on complexity and simplicity in knife techniques. Good points, well explained. Bill has been on a bit of a writing streak of late, making many good points. If I may follow up with a question to one of his points? He mentions the knife videos found in the criminals' house and asks the question about how would one feel/what would one say if techniques one had taught in a video were used to bad ends? I confess to an emotional sympathy for the point he is making, but I also recognize a cognitive dissonance in my thinking in that I also reject the proposition that gun makers should be held responsible for the use criminals may make of their product, just as Chevrolet should not be held accountable for a drunken driver killing someone with one of its products (Tangential Q: Are Corvettes the automotive equivalent of so-called "assault" guns i.e. not really automatic, but looking like ones that are? That is, what legal purpose is there for all that speed?) I suspect Bill agrees with me on the point concerning gun manufacturers and their products, yet what is the difference with knife videos? Please understand that the question is genuinely that-- a question. ------------------------------ From: Allen Sachetti Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:19:04 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Review on the WKC The 1999 WKC was an extravaganza of Filipino Martial Arts presented in their most truest and realistic form. The Solo Baston divisions were fantastic with a number of incredibly, hard and technical fights. The skills displayed in these divisions ranged from very effective footwork, devastating stick blows and effective submissions. Look for the final fights for some real MASK FLYING KNOCK DOWN ACTION. We had to keep "Duck Tapping" Masks on until they would not come off any more!! The Edged Weapon fights in Knife and Espada Y Daga were done also in the most realistic fashion giving the score to the first with the most. A lot of Technique was seen from many different systems here in the knife. Look at the finals here for some VERY SKILLFUL AND ARTISIC EXCHANGES. The ESPADA Y DAGA was especially THRILLING. This was the first year we had this event and it was something else. Scores were low as fighters really experienced how hard it was to get the knife in on someone with a stick, but in the end the skill came out. Look for a particular exchange between Jason Marcaida and Joe Legaspi it was the STRIKE of the tournament. DUMPAG was INCREDIBLY EXCITING AND FAST PACED. We used only finger free gloves and no other gear for the advanced division. In this Division look for Michael Balke who delivered some unique Krabi Krong Kicks standing up and on the ground. The BIG MAN Kenny Farrow at 298 Lbs made a strong performance with some very good striking skills. Jeff Purefoy proved to always be a dynamic fighter and Joe Diamond was said to be a RELENTLESS competitor as he went on to win the division with skillfully executed Knee Bar. CHECK OUT THESE FIGHTS. This years event was shot with 4 DIGITAL CAMERAS and is beiing produced for broadcast quality. The 1999 WKC Tapes are available as follows: SOLO BASTON - Novice, Interm & Advan Divisions - $49.95 KNIFE & ESPADA Y DAGA - all Divisions - $49.95 DUMPAG - all Divisions - $49.95 Get any 2 Tapes for : $79.95 SPECIAL PRICE FOR THE FIRST 50 ORDEERS ONLY: GET THE 3 SET FOR ONLY: $109.95 CALL 1-800-879-4574 or 410-620-4693 TO ORDER ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #261 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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