From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #263 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 21 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 263 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Guro Inosanto's book eskrima: Knife eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #262 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #262 eskrima: Re: Santa Cruz eskrima: Teacher eskrima: Knife Training [none] eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:29:44 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Re: Guro Inosanto's book > > I'm looking for Dan Inosanto's book - Filipino Martial Arts. Can anyone help? > Hi :) Guro Dan Inosanto's book is out-of-print. you'll probably only find a copy through a used book search service, or digging through your local used bookstore (if you're lucky!) You might even try contacting Guro Inosanto at his Academy, and see if he's got any copies kicking around. I can't wait until it's reprinted, and hopefully anything else Guro Inosanto has had time to write down.... cheers, Jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: RBalicki@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:08:03 EDT Subject: eskrima: Knife Bill McGrath wrote: The whole subject of knife training is something I am constantly walking a moral tightrope about. I feel that FMA knife work has the most practical modern use of any aspect of FMA that we can offer to the public, yet it is also the area that is most likely to be misused. For example, I would love to do a video on women's self defense with a knife, but how do you keep it out of the hands of potential rapists? How do you get this info to the people who need it the most without it getting into the wrong hands? Any thoughts on the subject would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath I think that the average rapist isn't going to buy a knife tape to learn how to counter a woman he is planning on raping. I think if one person benefits from the tape by stopping an attacker it makes it worth producing. Respects Ron Balicki ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:02 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #262 >>Does anyone know of any kali/eskrima/arnis instructors or schools...San Jose area?<< Check out Suro Mike Inay...you absolutely cannot go wrong there. With Suro, you will experience the way Eskrima was meant to be done. Ray Terry can direct you there, but don't visit San Jose without trying to make contact with Mike. It will be well worth any effort you make. Kim ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #262 First, for the guy visiting San Francisco, there are a couple of IESA guys on this list who I worked out with while I was in SF. They were very cool and we had a good time exchanging concepts. Also, the Bandalan Doce Pares club is in the San Jose area somewhere, but I'm not sure exactly where. You can get contact info from their web page at: http://lugani.com/Bandalan/home.htm ============== Second, on the knife video/gun manufacturers issue: Tuhon, I won't presume to speak for you, but a big difference I personally see in this issue is in the product being sold. I wouldn't compare a knife training video to a mass produced gun ... even if the video is sold to the general public. A mass produced gun is simply an inanimate object that comes off an assembly line (like an automobile). A training video (regardless of how many are sold) contains information that the instructor has spent years learning and training. The information on the video is very personal to the instructor who's imparting it on the video. I don't know any FMA instructors who will indiscriminately teach proper knife useage to people they don't know and trust. Imparting dangerous information is an entirely different and far more personal thing that selling a dangerous tool, and as such, you feel much more responsible for who receives that information and how it's used than you do about who uses (or misuses) a mass-produced (very impersonaly) inanimate object. As we all know, information can be a far mightier weapon than any inanimate object. Just my 2 cents ... if it's worth that much :-) Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: John Frankl Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Santa Cruz From: watch dog Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 21:10:42 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Eskrima in San Jose/Santa Cruz Hi everyone, I'm planning to be in the San Jose/Santa Cruz, California area during the last week of June. Does anyone know of any kali/eskrima/arnis instructors or schools in that general area that would be worth visiting for short private sessions?" Santa Cruz is my hometown and should be beautiful when you are there. Unfortunately, there is little there in the way of FMA. What you might check out though are Remy at the New River Academy (a top student of Herman Suwanda), Claudio Franca for BJJ, and check the white pages for Paul Silva--he was teaching under Rene Latosa a few years ago and may be still. Sorry I can't give you more. John ___ ------------------------------ From: Kaesa@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:25:38 EDT Subject: eskrima: Teacher Hello, I may be heading up to New Hampshire this summer for a week or so, I was wondering if there are any teachers in the area? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ From: butch@epix.net Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 14:59:40 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Knife Training The whole subject of knife training is something I am constantly walking a moral tightrope about. I feel that FMA knife work has the most practical modern use of any aspect of FMA that we can offer to the public, yet it is also the area that is most likely to be misused. For example, I would love to do a video on women's self defense with a knife, but how do you keep it out of the hands of potential rapists? How do you get this info to the people who need it the most without it getting into the wrong hands? Any thoughts on the subject would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ME: It is really interesting to know that other MA's think about this too. I thought that my friends and I were the only ones thinking about walking on the moral tightrope. We talked about making tapes teaching self defense skills to the sane (hopefully), law abiding, decent citizens who might need them. In some ways we have a moral obligation to pass along these skills to decent people who may need them. If these people come to our schools for personal instruction, no big deal. However, others may not be able to attend so how do they get the instruction they need? If we do not pass our skills to the people who need them, they may be subject to abuse or death at the hands of violent people. On the other side of the coin, how do you keep your information out of the hands of criminals who may use your skills against decent citizens. All we need is super trained criminals running around. It is very hard to defeat people who know what they are doing with their weapons etc... It should be noted that the police even have trouble handling even the slightly trained criminals. You can think of many examples of this yourself. Our bottom line is that we only teach those we have known for a while and consider them of good character. Usually, these people are advanced martial arts students or other decent people that have an interest in what we can offer. Yes, we do make our tapes but they stay in the studio to give to those we trust. We thought about having potential students bring a letter signed by their local police chiefs before they take some of our courses. We never really went forward on that one except that students must sign a disclosure statement that states that they will not use the skills learned for criminal purpose etc... So it is darned if you do and darned if you don't. I do not have any good answers on this one. Butch ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:17:45 -0700 Subject: [none] A Howl of Greeting to All: David, first quoting me, wrote: > > Concerning undefeated champions: How many islands are there in the RP? > > over 7,000? how many languages? over 100? Apart from the near universal > > human capacity to improve the truth, it seems to me very easy to > understand > > that a lot of these guys just didn't meet up > > I'd have to disagree. Of the 7000 islands only about 2000 are inhabited with > about 8 large islands in the Visayas. Many of these fighters came from the > Visayas and had large reputations and would have been pretty easy to find if > you were really looking. Language in the Visayas is not a problem > eventhough there are many dialects they still pretty much understand one > another. Even Cebu City has a number of (so called) undefeated champions > and having lived there I find it pretty amazing that they didn't run into > one another. > > IMO fighters are competitive and when they compete they want to be the best. > Clearly you would seek out opponents with the biggest reputations and fight > them. If these guys didn't meet up them I'd suggest there are other reasons > apart from geography and language that stopped them. Fair enough. But to this point, let's call it "bluff &puff", lets add that when we say "champion" we are not discussing sport as we understand the term today. As the report of one of GM Bacon's fights the other day made clear, a crack to the head can literally open it up. I can readily picture that as long as someone is not being disrespected that he has no compelling urge to go out and fight all the most dangerous men around without his being a bluff and puff kitty. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #263 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.