From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #270 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 24 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 270 In this issue: eskrima: Achillies rehab 1 eskrima: Re: Women's self defense eskrima: Re: Wavemaster eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #267 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #269 eskrima: Animal rant; women & MA...etc eskrima: Self defense eskrima: (no subject) eskrima: (no subject) eskrima: Re: women and self defence eskrima: Re: Happy Birthday to Us! eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Kitchen" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:47:45 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Achillies rehab 1 I'll keep these rehab notes short but it might be (hopefully not!) a reference for someone. Saw the Doc (substitute--mine went on vacation--good for him) on Monday for a 'wound check.' The doctor looked at it--"ummhmm, okay--yes, you can shower now-just don't soak you ankle in water--see you next week." This is one butt-ugly looking scar. Next Monday they remove the 30(!!!!!) staples and x-ray to look at the 'clip' that is holding my tendon together. [Question to any of the medicos out there: What does this clip look like? What is it made of? Will it 'dissolve' or need to be removed? Could stretching the achillies 'pop loose' this clip? ] I have been fitted for a "cam walker"--basically a removable cast that allows for various range of movement. I was told that I can now start flexing/stretching the tendon-but no weight bearing. Today I can just about lift my foot to the 90 degree point. It hurts stretching the scar/staples more than the tendon stretching. On the better side of things: I have increased my push-up/sit-up (for push-ups, I cross the 'bad' ankle on top of the good side) ladder work outs to 121 per set. Single stick: while it isn't the best form with one crutch under your left side, I have been banging the basic 8-count on the heavy bag. I miss the sinawali. Michael Kitchen student of Guro Cucci ------------------------------ From: pjm@buffnet.net Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:22:40 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Women's self defense It's probably already been stated but as for woman's self defense you can not say enough about the mental aspects. Defense programs should emphasize avoidance (avoiding danger areas, analizing the enviroment, escape atd ets, simplicity and of course INTENT. Whether is applies to women or men, in order to pull anything off and save our butts we need to attack, as a legend in our part of the woods has said, "like a wolverine on crack". I believe that defense is "Hit hard and run like hell" versus offense which is "keep hitting hard as hell untill the bouncers pull you off of him." But I digress *lol* Basically the difference between the dojo and the street is that all rules go out the window. The person in front of you is no longer your training partner and should be dealt with quickly and with extreme prejudice. Quite a leap mentally. Phil "Rhino-Style" Martino ------------------------------ From: "Michael Kitchen" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:29:06 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Wavemaster > From: Paolo Valladolid > Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:25:11 -0400 > Subject: eskrima: Wavemaster? > > I'm considering a couple of options as far as getting a heavy bag into my > 2nd-floor apartment - one I would use for hitting not only with my own body > parts but also sticks (rattan, of course). The Wavemaster seems to be the > most convenient solution for this. > > Anybody use these things (Wavemaster original or Wavemaster "boxerobics" > edition which is longer, skinnier, and comes with light gloves)? > > Thanks, > Paolo Paolo, I own and use the Wavemaster--the stand alone type that has the water-filled base. I'll assume you are talking about the same, since I don't think many landlords appreciate beefing up and attaching a hanging heavy bag to the ceiling rafters. I really like mine. All of my family practice Muay Thai and Kali. Since no one in my family eagerly volunteers to hold the Thai Pads for me, I use the Wavemaster a lot. The ability to vary the (top) height from ~4'6" to 6' is nice. The only draw back is if your art uses very low cut-kicks, to the inside/outside of the calf, you cannot practice that kick--the base is very hard. When filled properly, the base has 275 pounds of water inside. I have NEVER been able to thai-kick the Wavemaster over and I have tried. (I'm 6'1" and no one has ever said I was ....uhh... skinny) I suppose that some kicks that are more of a heavy/fast push (spinning side kick?) might topple the bag. I dunno... On the note of kicking the thing: Your downstairs neighbors are going to soon hate you. It makes *a lot* of noise when you kick it. Mine is outside on a covered cement patio. When it is being kicked, it sounds like someone is in the house abusing a bed/mattress with a baseball bat--WHUMP! WHUMP! I cannot begin to imagine how that sound energy would translate down through to a first floor. (You may be practicing your arts more/sooner than you ever expected.) Since I am 'lamed up' right now, I have just started to abuse the cover with rattan. It seems to be holding up--so far. Century does have "life time" replacement on the thing but I am not sure is that covers the cover being beaten by a 'mad escrimador.' You might want to make a 'second' cover out of some other heavy material to protect the punch/kick cover. Michael Kitchen student of Guro Cucci ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #267 << Believe or not, I believe people who have a FMA background will tend to understand TJC (the combat applications) a lot easier. >> I heard Guro Dan Inosanto make a similar statement once at a seminar. He said that he never really understood Tai Chi until he got involved with Pentjak Silat. Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Knoruku@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:39:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #269 mike worth, i have a black and red modern arnis half vest and pants. custom made by a fellow in landsberg, pa. i too obtained his address from the web. if you wish to give me a call at 610-565-3600 i can give you his name and address. cost was $65 plus ship. very well made Regards, michael t. bates ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 13:10:54 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Animal rant; women & MA...etc Animal's rant has valid points; it's true that men have a different mindset, physical advantages etc over women (vive la difference!). It's also true that some women go too far with the "I'm equal to men in everything" category. Sure, if you want to be equally stupid with some guy who has more muscle and pride than brains. Personally, I will train and learn to protect myself to the best of my human physical ability, bearing in mind that no matter how good I may ever get, there is always something bigger and meaner out there. Since I'm 5'1 and 120 lbs, there are a lot more "bigger and meaner" than for other people, perhaps ;), but hopefully I'll always be smart enough to avoid them BEFORE I have to find out if what I've learned is enough. That said, Todd's commentary on how men and women's body posture are often completely different even for similar sized/shaped persons, is completely accurate. I've always been a roaring girl (tomboy - i hate that word) and my mom taught me that just because I liked to run around, ride bikes, get dirty, climb trees didn't mean I was "unfeminine". But most women I know are AFRAID to use their bodies to do physical things because "nice girls don't ..." etc etc ad nauseum. If nothing else, in studying MA women learn to use their bodies, to strengthen themselves, and to respect physicality. Then perhaps there will be less rounded shoulders, head down, closed in postures. I also think that in learning these things, most women will feel more confident about what they can and cannot deal with. While I don't think a 6 - week self-defense course is anywhere near enough to teach a woman how to protect herself in an attack situation, if it teaches her to be aware, alert, self-confident, and to learn to AVOID dangerous situations, it's a start. Basically, women need to learn that they can be more physically self-confident, and men (some men ;) need to learn that just 'cause they're big and brawny and trained doesn't mean they are invulnerable. 2 canadian cents worth, or 1.4 cents US :)jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: "Grantham, Stephen" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:03:02 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Self defense This has been one of the more interesting discussions I've read in some time here, and everyone seems to have made good points. I was shown a tape at work by a woman PhD who has all kinds of books out about communication in the work place, dealing mainly with the fact that men and women can have a great deal of difficulty understanding one another because of the culture and environment in which they were raised. She would put two boys together, starting at 2 or 3 yrs old and film them interact. She continued by doing the same thing with boys a little older until she reached the 12,13 yr mark. She then contrasted this by showing the same interactions between girls of the same ages so you could see how they acted differently towards each other. The boys were more adversarial, competitive, having to establish pecking order, sort of establish who the alpha dog was, so to speak. The girls, as pointed out by the woman, seemed to trying to establish a consensual dialog, making a social connection with each other. The point of this rambling is that I wonder how that affects how guys look at self defense situations differently than woman, as per Animal I believe. I was watching a self defense seminar sponsored by to raise money for the local Rape counseling centers, and one of the instructor's points was that if you have survived the encouter, whether you aquiessed (sp) or fought, you did the right thing. He stressed reading body language, trusting in your instincts (if you get bad vibes from someone on the elevator, don't get on the elevator- which some will do because they think they're being silly - (his words)). It was educational to me to watch how difficult it was for many of the women to let go and really hit the pads, or the padded attacker. The cultural baggage about being quiet and feminine was really difficult to overcome for some of the women, especially those over 30. The thing I liked about the seminar was he didn't spend two hours teaching them to just hit the attacker in the groin. He dealt with the attitude, awareness, body language, personal space control (don't let them invade your space), and getting in touch with your emotions about hitting something with the intention of destroying it. It was quite educational. My wife is a student at our school, which was recommended by this instructor, and she has attended several of his workshops. She says that a majority (I don't know how much of one) of the women that attended those workshops had been victims of some type of assault. There was usually a lot of emotion, some tears as they worked out some of their anger and fear. I really think there is a lot of value in that type of workshop, and I would hesitate to teach any type of self defense unless I could approach it in a similar manner, and I don't have the kind of training needed for that. Someone made the point that most guys have been in a situation that requires you to either back down and swallow your pride or swallow a mouthful of blood. I think this is very true. I don't think it's true that no women have been through similar confrontations, however, I think it is much more rare. If you can behave in a certain way and get in peoples faces with no fear of them physically, it creates a potentially bad habit. This only works when the social constraints keep the other person from just knocking the crap out of you. It is not as socially unacceptable to hit another guy, but if a guy hits a woman, it is bad news. The problem occurs when you remove this constraint, as in a pack of bad guys who see you as a victim only. I think it is encumbent upon us as instructors to prepare our students to face and deal with violence in any form they are likely to encounter, however to think that because you should be able to walk where ever you like, just because you have trained for a couple of years, is sheer ignorance. If society was able to control those elements who are dangerous to others, fine, but it can't. Enlightened caution is a smarter way to go, IMO. Anyway, that's my not so coherent 2 cents! Back to work! Steve Grantham ------------------------------ From: Reisya@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:31:53 EDT Subject: eskrima: (no subject) First of all, *as a general rule* I don't think women can 'hang with the boys' when it comes to raw, physical violence Dave, Dave, Dave - First a knife is the great equilizer, The bigger you are the easier to cut you with!!! I agree that men are more comfortable with raw violence (there are always exceptions), but the point of fact is a women has it in her also, attack her child etc. My point is to teach her how to get to that feeling and use it in her self defense on only her child etc. I still beleive the technique will overcome the physical, and have seen it work. On a personal note, there are ment books for women outh there regarding self-defense. 99% written by men. As a women having done one style or another since I was 8, I know the man's take on it, I want women's take on it. In point of fact, women feel and have said to me, that they hear it, beleive in it etc a lot more went said and demonstrated by a women. That is not to say I won't buy any of your books, guys (yek, I buy every thing animal writes - just to broaden by vocabulary). Point of fact is most women, want to hear it from women. Peace Yvonne ------------------------------ From: Reisya@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:40:09 EDT Subject: eskrima: (no subject) Yvonne and the others who say "I refuse to be afraid -- I'll walk where I want to, when I want to Mary Lou, I didn't say that. I said that the fact of the matter is bad things happen in "safe places" too. I take the long way, but while it may be safer, it is never SAFE. So, learn what you can, as much as you can and practice often. Peace Yvonne ------------------------------ From: LeighanS@aol.com Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:58:57 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: women and self defence from:leighana@aol.com good grief!....ok, so after everyone has pointed out the differences between women and men and all that other nice and not so nice bs, it appears to me that y'all are forgetting one tiny but important thing........a criminal is a predator....plain and simple....as such, it is looking for a target that is considered easy and vulnerable......the thug wants to accomplish his endeavor in as little time as possible, thereby minimizing exposure and hopefully maximizing escape.......if i were to be some size 6 barbie doll looking girl, i would make a far suitable target than say a size 24 dressed in jeans and combat boots.....just like the typical male accountant nerd type is the inviting target over your typical biker type......oh yeah, the other thing that seems to be missed, is that the whole purpose of m.a. is to engage in battle.....whether that battle is evenly matched or grossly mismatched.......my instructor was always telling us that when we do have to engage in a confrontation, there are only two rules to heed.....#1...there are no rules...#2......cheat..........that means if a small acountant is targeted by a physically superior opponent and escape is not possible, he must do whatever it takes to ensure his survival....fight dirty, gouge, bite, pull hair....you name it.......to the person who said most delf defence courses are bs and mentioning how important the mindset and attitude are.....my hat is off to you.............ciao.........leighan ------------------------------ From: Dawn & Creight Hatico Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:32:33 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Happy Birthday to Us! People, I've only been on the list for a short while, but have learned countless things from this excellent eclectic group. THANK YOU MR. TERRY FOR THIS EXCELLENT LIST!!!!! Happy Birthday to all! ALOHA!, Creighton HFMAS/JKDU _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 12:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #270 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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