From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #284 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 3 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 284 In this issue: eskrima: WEKAF Western Regional Tournament eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #282 eskrima: Re: Silat question eskrima: Hypothectically speaking..... eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #283 eskrima: Seminar in Modernized Philippine Martial Arts eskrima: Gun control eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #283 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #283 eskrima: Cat for the Ninja use of... eskrima: Constitution eskrima: smarter? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #283 eskrima: gun stuff on the 4th .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SNAPIAL@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:11:27 EDT Subject: eskrima: WEKAF Western Regional Tournament From: Sonny Napial snapial@aol.com Announcing !!!!!!! WEKAF Western Regional - July 31,1999 Location: City: San Ramon (Northern Califonia / San Francisco East Bay) Site: California High School Gym 9870 Broadmoor Drive San Ramon, Calif. 'Official WEKAF USA Sanctioned, Qualifying Tournament' 1st and 2nd place in each division are eligible to compete in the WEKAF National Tournament to be held in the San Francisco Bay area, on February 19,2000. The National Tournament is to determine the team members to represent the U.S.A. in the 2000 World Championship. ( You must be a member of WEKAF USA to compete ) Competition Divisions are : Seniors = 18yrs. and over Master = 40 yrs. and over Carenza (Forms) - Traditional and Open Mens - Juniors / Seniors / Masters Women - 18 yrs and Above Single Stick fighting - Broken up by Weight Divisions : Juniors / Seniors / Masters / Women Double Stick fighting - Broken up by Weight Divisions Synchronized Group (Demo Team ) Must have at least three members in a team. "WEKAF Rules are strictly enforced." For further info: please contact : Prof. Max Pallen - President WEKAF USA (510) 351-6776 Master Alfredo Bandalan - WEKAF Western Regional Director (408) 846-9176 Guro Sonny Napial - WEKAF USA Treasurer (925) 736-8731 snapial@aol.com Website: http://lugani.com/Bandalan ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #282 Phil wrote: << It was eluded to that Gun control people might not stop at gun control and might go after the martial arts. Well it would give us the chance to train traditionally. Does anyone know the MoroMoro dance? *lol* Just being a wise guy >> Sorry to take this out of its humorous context, but you reminded me of something that I wanted to double check. I assume by "traditional" you meant underground "not socailly acceptable" training. In this case, then would the Moros really apply? They've never been conquered (at least by physical force), right? Mike _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 15:34:59 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Silat question Kaesa@aol.com writes: >I have a silat question for you guys. Are there any forms that are "known" by >most or alot of silat systems? Kinda like in karate, different styles use the >same katas or just have a different name? Are there any jurus or forms like >that in silat? In a word, no. There are movements, qualities, techniques and such which are common to many Silat styles. But near as I can tell there aren't any "universal" or even nearly so dujrus. Let me rephrase that. There WEREN'T any such. Those Silat players who compete under the IPSI organization are required to learn and perform a number of compulsory djurus in addition to the specific ones for their style. Many of us aren't part of that organization, so it still doesn't apply to us. Even the word "djuru" means different things to different people. In Sera the djurus are very short and (pretty much) are an upper-body thing only. In other systems they can be quite long and include both footwork and handwork. ------------------------------ From: "James Hudgens" Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 19:11:23 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Hypothectically speaking..... Here's a scenario (especially for all you instructors) that I know you've all faced and I would love to here your takes on it : New (prospective) students walk into your studio/dojo/dojang to "check it out". They have prior experience in other martial arts; maybe even a lot of experience. They want to take a class or two to see if they like your school and are interested in joining. Fine...no problem. However, when they are in class, they are the type who are quick to point out that they "Already know that" or, after seeing a technique you demonstrate, will say "well, what if the guy does THIS (Insert move here)?" or attempt to correct the senior students on something that the student has been told specifically by the instructor to do (and that "correction" is VERY WRONG). What do you do? How do you instructors handle this situation? Hudge - --- http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/botham/192/index.html Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ From: "TAD" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:32:51 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #283 Ray (Terry), I am writing to you under the assumption that you are somewhat the "moderator" of this list (Inayan_Eskrima). I think that the discussion/thread on gun control (pro or con) is getting a bit out of hand. It has been somewhat tied into martial arts and eskrima - a connection I have yet to comprehend. In the interest of the purpose of this email list, please moderate the discussion and discourage members from discussing non-eskrima related matters. This topic is beginning to be a big turn-off. I am sure to others feel the same way but would rather suffer in silence. Another item to note is that the language and tone for this particular thread has been markedly unprofessional, rude, arrogant, condescending and sarcastic. I understand that this is such a delicate issue where people can feel passionate about. I feel that despite the differences in opinion for this particular topic and any other topic in the future, we should all abide by the high standards of courtesy, consideration and respect towards others. Let us not escalate it further by inflammatory and insiduous language. I am sure that there are a lot of discussion groups through email and on the web that will be able to acommodate the varied non-eskrima interests of our members and friends. As another alternative, I offer that members who wish to continue to discuss this matter amongst themselves could go offline end exchange email with each other. Respectfully, T. Deveyra Los Angeles ------------------------------ From: "big Joe A." Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 18:07:24 PDT Subject: eskrima: Seminar in Modernized Philippine Martial Arts Hi everyone, This will be my last post on this upcoming seminar. The slots are filling up. There is a discount on large groups. If interested please call or e-mail me at the address below. Thanks, Big Joe Modernized Philippine Martial Arts The Fighting Stick We are pleased to announce a seminar in the Modernized Philippine Martial Arts. It will be conducted at Solari Community Center in San Jose, California. Prof. Norlito B. Soriano formerly of the Samahang Ng Arnis Ng Pilipinas (Brotherhood of Arnis of the Philippines, circa 1960’s) will be teaching this seminar. He is seventh generation in the Filipino Martial Arts as well as the head and founder of the Modernized Philippine Martial Arts. This seminar will cover the basics of the Visayas style of stick fighting. Fee: $80.00 for the full seminar / $20.00 for spectators Location: Solari Community Center 3590 Cas Drive San Jose, Ca 95111 Date: July 10, 1999 Time: Registration at 9:30A.M. Seminar begins at 10:00 A.M. and ends at 5:00P.M. Styles Covered: The seminar will cover the basics of the Visayas style of stick fighting. This style is a paired weapon style in the Espada y Daga lengths (i.e. one long and one short stick) which allows for greater flexibility in weapon range. This Modernized style was developed and refined by Prof. Soriano to be combat effective. Gear: You will need to bring a cup (if male), loose comfortable clothing, and a water bottle. All sticks will be provided. No hardwoods allowed. Absolutely no cameras allowed!!!! For more information or to reserve your place e-mail Joe Artigas at Ninjoe@hotmail.com or call him at (408) 266-2931. If the machine picks up leave a message and he will return your call as soon as possible. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:51:52 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Gun control At the risk of upsetting Ray I cannot help but comment on the following: >The problem I have with pro-gunners is that they lack the imagination to >avoid an all-out, balls-to-the-wall approach to fighting any sort of gun >control, instead of using their voting power and technical expertise to >come up with sensible legislation. The Canadian experience is that any expert advice from a pro-gun lobby is soundly ignored as self serving. This leads to nonsense legislation such as our Bill C-68. This bill was passed in spite of continuing decrease in gun related crime rates. Furthermore, the perception by pro gunners that any sort of gun control is a thin end of the wedge is based on reality. In Canada the antis have a stated aim to eliminate *all* gun ownership. The experience from e.g. UK is that any piece of anti gun legislation is sure to be followed by another even more restrictive one (and yes, gun crime was up in UK even after the most recent piece of legislation outlawing all handguns in private possession). Now to the FMA contents: Those of us who do not use or possess guns should not ignore the gun legislation as the knives are sure to follow - see UK laws again! Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:47:02 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #283 > Americans are smarter I gues that's why most of the PhDs go to foreigners :-) > and will never follow a > dictator. I think a smart person would not settle too quickly on such thoughts. We don't need a dictator here for people to be moved to follow the "line of reasoning" desired by the misinforming people who have their hands on the reins of the media. There isn't much distance between manipulating the minds of a populace conditioned to think in terms of sound bytes, infomercials and jingles and manipulating the minds of said populace with state-driven propaganda. Misinformation is practiced at the highest levels to acquire and maintain power. > We all know it can't happen here. ... that must be one heck of a crystal ball baby ... did you know that John F. Kennedy set up the LAW which will allow the U.S. presdient to turn over control of ALL U.S. armed forces to the U.N. with the stroke of a pen? It is law and it is a very dangerous piece of legislation which could put all of us here under the thumb of foreigners. Say, what planet you livin'on hombre? Life on Earth is a science fiction story. Anything can happen. I cringe at the thought of what could happen to this wonderful nation if all the miliennial nuts pursue their dogmas near/at/through the turn of the year. We've got people spread out all over this nation who like some foreigners, want to tear it down. Some take that as part of their religion, i.e., to usher in the return of someone who probably wouldn't want to have a thing to do with them. If we suffer enough "civil disturbance" as a result of thes fringies going off (school shootings could be a pittance in comparison) we could have Martial Law in multiple places in the U.S. at the same time. It could be a very strange situation, especially since the instability in other places could be worse. Who knows what the future holds ... especially if people are lax with attitudes like "It couldn't happen here." Very much the mentality of those who think that they can't get AIDS ... naw, it'll never happen to them, right? Like, what the frick are they, superCritter? America is no different from any nation that has risen to eminence on this planet. Like Lin Shih Fu once said: "Everybody like frogs ... while one jumping one coming down and another may be ready to jump." You get the drift? The sun sets on everything in this universe eventually ... no escape. During prosperous times people can forget about the dangers. That's when loss becomes inevitable, we becom elax and lose because somewhere someone else is ready to jump and they bite when we're not looking ... because it'll never happen here. Reminds me of the impeachment facade ... all through it I cringed thinking "Wake up America!" I'll bet there are some who believe that state-supported counterfeiting in other nations cannot destabilize the American economy, eh? The possible futures are innumerable. What's certain is that nothing remains the same and nothing lasts forever. We can prolong the lifespan of some things beyond what might normally occur by paying heed to the advice "It is when things are going well that we must be the most careful." Why? Because when things are going well, people lose their instincts, people get soft, hedonistci and lax ... and think "it can't happen here." They forget what can happen, period ... here, there, anywhere on the planet. It's liek the fools who go around making threats ... disconnected from "what can happen" in the unpredictable possible futures of the thing that we're in, they get bopped and wonder why ... they lose. Sorry for all the noise ... the closed thinking of some Americans just bugs me sometimes. there are a lot of people who hate this place as much as they want a piece of it ... and I fear that it is Americans who will ensure their success. Party hearty, nothing bad can happen here, right? Sure ... back in 89 I predicted that America would be treated to violence by foreign nationals ... som ebirght intelligentsia laughed at my "paranoia." BOOM! 'Nuff said. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:01:33 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #283 > Full auto > weapons are mostly used for supressive fire. Simply > stating that you are against them shows how little you > understand the subject. > Full auto weapons have been used against American LEOs on the streets of California by armor clad criminals ... the fire was suppressive all right! so far it has been impossible to prevent criminal access to whatever the heck they want. No amount of legislation will put an absolute stop to criminal possession of controlled anything. Weapons find their way from the U.S. military to anti-gov paramilitary groups. No legislation will stop that. what we can do is slow the movement of weapons into illegal channels and/or hands ... but we can't stop it altogether ... not even with a total ban on weapons. The onyl thing that we can stop absolutely is LEGAL possession of weapons. H'mm, interesting ... recently there were people in Congress talking about repealing the D.C. gun laws ... altho gun ownership is outlawed, the homicide rate is "incredible" eh? ... and some in Congress are admittin that it's because in D.C. only th bad guys and the LEOs get to have guns. The model doesn't work. Happy 4th of July!!! ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:42:56 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Cat for the Ninja use of... >In the book "Ninjutsu: History and Tradition" by Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi, >there's a chapter on "Kunoichi" or female ninja. There's a picture of Mariko >Hatsumi holding a persian cat. The caption reads: > > "Mariko Hatsumi carries a ninja dagger and smoke grenade beneath the cat in >her arms. As well as concealing the ninja gear, the cat could also serve as a >potent distraction when thrown into the face of an insuspecting intruder." > I have no problem with the above. Perhaps I should have stated that most MArtists would advise not to throw one's *primary* weapon away. In the example here I would take the ninja dagger to be the primary weapon making one's cat a desirable missile. Perhaps if one had more one cat one of them could be sacrificed in similar fashion while retaining the other as a primary weapon (in fact an average cat can be sacrificed nine times as everybody knows). Number of questions come to mind: 1) Is cat a suitable weapon when fighting one of the Dog Brothers? 2) Where is a sweet spot on a cat? 3) For accuracy training which part of the cat does one need to watch (whiskers work for me)? 4) What is an optimal size and breed of a cat for MA use? Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC I give to SPCA every year, I do, honestly.... ------------------------------ From: "Joe & Doro Hironaka" Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:44:04 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Constitution <(keep in mind that the Constitution is a 'living document'), > It's only a living document to those who want to change what it says. To understand the Constitution and what the founding fathers had in mind you should read the Federalist Papers. They clearly state the intent of the Constitution, to protect individual liberty by limiting government. Sorry, I know this wasn't FMA related but I just couldn't let that statement pass without saying something. Joe Hironaka ------------------------------ From: "Ernie Aragon, Jr." Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:25:44 -0700 Subject: eskrima: smarter? Ben Climaco said: >President Marcos had all guns registered. Then when >he declared martial law, his first order was to turn >in your guns or die. Lots of tyrants and other >statist scum have done the same thing. >Of course, here in America we are different. >Americans are smarter and will never follow a >dictator. We all know it can't happen here. I guess you didn't mean it the way I initially took it but I guess you should state it in such a way as not to be so offensive. It's like you implied that Filipinos are dumb and so are the poor vicitims who fell under the tyranny of a dictator. Maybe it's not so much the smarts but the resources and the ability to resist at that time that was lacking. We were taken by surprise and had not the pre-organized strategy to counter what he did. If you were here and so "smart" in never following the dictator Marcos, maybe you wouldn't have been able to write this comment. You'd be dead by now. Also remember, the Filipinos gained their "smarts" by finally overthrowing the dictator in the end, without any needless bloodshed. Anyway, maybe you did not mean it as such but I had to take this load of my chest. Next time please watch what you say because people get hurt. Sincerely yours, Ernie Aragon, Jr. One of those less "smart" people Michelle Roxas-Aragon ------------------------------ From: ABernabeo@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 02:42:06 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #283 Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual discretion.... In private self-defence. 'John Adams' ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: gun stuff on the 4th How timely... :) Once again, no more gun stuff. Ray Terry ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #284 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.