From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #305 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 22 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 305 In this issue: eskrima: Re: I'm back eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #304 eskrima: Understanding Trapping eskrima: WKC Video Tapes eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #303 eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J H" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 07:08:47 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: I'm back Welcome back! Thank God for painkillers, eh? Fry Bread _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Cartlon H. Fung,D.D.S." Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:53:28 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #304 >Thoughts on trapping... >I have two experiences to relate. The first, my ex-sparring partner was a >traditional Shorin-Ryu guy, nothing else besides karate. Trapping would not >work against him at all. When I would move in, engage, then move to >trap/check, he would simply blast me in the chest. However, I have used >trapping very successfully at work (corrections) against seasoned street >fighters who were really trying to hurt me. Seems that trapping will work >against the committed blow, but isn't the thing to do against the typical >"snapped" karate punch. My suspicions are one the range is wrong on the karate guy. Dispite your moving in to engage his non-commitment pulls him just out of range and you loose the control. BJJ principles (since we are talking grapling and trapping) work here. You have to have position before submission. you have to have your position in place before you can succesfully trap. Furthurmore, someone who is not commiting by sticking out that olive branch should not be trapped but hit. Trapping is hand imobilization and removal of obstruction. If the snapped karate blow is on an obstruction and is in a place so that imobilization is not warranted then you do not trap. , >it's good to have something in reserve. Don't move in to trap, but have it >honed to the point that it happens spontaneously when needed This makes you have to anticipate, wait, and respond to the "range". Part of the JKD/Jun Fan revolution was to "intercept". Thus to counterattack by riposte for example to use a fencing term is a critical means to beat the oponant to an attack such that your catching them offguard makes your attack seem all the more powerful. Thus seeking a path and controling the range offensively and gaining the "position" is much more important and takes less engery from you that fighting from the defense. Don't wait anticipate. <<, I'd be interested in >people's opinions on the subject also, as well as any suggestions on >increasing effectiveness (other than train, cross-train, and train some >more ;), since I do not have the weight, I think , to really be an >effective grappler The smaller guy has to be smarter. Training time gives you the tools from which to draw conclusions that your teacher tells you about but you really can't understand. Years of training later my partners and I train and then say oh yeah now I understand what Guro Dan was telling us about. I read passages from The Tao of JKD and after a time old passages take on new meanings. Size and weight matter there is no question about that however they can be overcome with physics and mechanics if youlearn to apply the lever. Regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:49:18 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Understanding Trapping A now renown author in the UK, Geoff Thompson has built his reputation on the fact that he was a guy that used what works and had limitless examples to refer to. He hated trapping and it made no sense to him. I was there when Rick Young(Edinburgh) did a demo and Geoffs mouth just dropped open as he saw trapping put into context. He has since credited Rick in his books for having changed his attitude but he still reckons most peoples trapping doesn't work. Now, I have seen boxers trap, thai boxers trap, judo/ju jitsu trap etc. Its there but just because it doesn't look as described in the mail below doesn't mean it aint there. I personally have trapped in real life situations but again, its not like in a class scenario. This is maybe where the problem lies. The trapping that we know in its current form needs revitalising to be adaptive to the current environment. From: Bladewerks@aol.com Our concepts of trapping is what must be addapted and is that which must evolve. When most people think of trapping the first thing they think of is the-poc sau-lop sau combo.This is where the problem lies.The confines of one style.... My trapping is, apart from being an enjoyable part of the curriculum, attempting to become a dissolved part of my whole outlook, coming into play when required rather than looking for it to be used as a sequence. I find it hard to believe that senior inosanto instructors will be throwing things out in the way originally described. I imagine that they look at it from a different perspective or even take it out of the equation to investigate the other parameters. I would imagine it's the approach that is being changed. The approach to teaching it and getting the fundamental concepts properly sown. Its not the 60's anymore so we don't train in the same way they did then. We are moving with the times and so our trapping approach must change to address the flavour of the millennium. While its good to respect where the techniques came from, they are absolutely obsolete if we cannot make them work today. pat ------------------------------ From: Allen Sachetti Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:37:54 -0400 Subject: eskrima: WKC Video Tapes X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <3791ECBD.65BF@erols.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:03:25 -0400 From: Allen Sachetti Organization: Datu X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: WKC Video Tapes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE 1999 WKC VIDEOS ARE DONE. 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Guro Allen ------------------------------ From: STRYFE31@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:53:44 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #303 With regards to the video clips of Grandmaster Angel Cabales, I would like to mention that the individual working out with him is Master Jimmy Tacosa. One of Grandmaster Angel's students that grduated his Master's program. serrada12@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #305 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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