From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #306 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 24 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 306 In this issue: eskrima: Defintion eskrima: Please Help eskrima: On Trapping vs. Grappling eskrima: FMA Supplies eskrima: Thanks .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 10:21:31 EDT Subject: eskrima: Defintion This is from my friend Bob Orlando, I bounce it on beause I am less than a scholar, reply to Bob directly Bob.Orlando@bigfoot.com ****************** Marc, Do you know "exactly" what sombrada means and its origins? ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:58:02 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Please Help Hi, Our club just received some bad new last night and I hope someone out there can help us. Our club is one of several MA's clubs that shares the facilities of Central Maryland Martial Arts in Frederick, Maryland. Last night, our BJJ notified CMMA's director that they will not be renewing their contract and will be leaving after next month. They like our facilities but the BJJ teacher wants to expand his class schedule and apparently got a really good deal on some rental space through a family friend. As a result we need to find another group or two to make up the lost income. CMMA was founded was to provide nice facilities, at a low cost, and an open atmosphere where different MA's styles could co-exist. Aside from our FMA club, there is also are traditional Aikido and Tang Soo Do groups. To illustrate the openness of the atmosphere, we had an exchange going with the BJJ group where we helped them with their weapons skills and they helped us with ground fighting. Also, there a people from the TSD group that also train with us. If you know of any MA's group in the Frederick, Md area that is in need of a home and would be interested in this type of atmosphere, please ask them to contact: Dave Bucheimer at 301-473- 8584 or buck@lan2wan.com Thank you for your assistance. Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Filipino, Indonesian Martial Arts Club Frederick, Md. "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'...'til you can find a big stick." ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:12:19 -0700 Subject: eskrima: On Trapping vs. Grappling ON TRAPPING VS GRAPPLING: "This gosh darn screwdriver doesn't work!" "What's wrong with it?" "I am trying to pound this nail into the wall and this screwdriver is making a mess of it." "Here, try my hammer." "Wow! That works great. I guess I'll have to throw all my screwdrivers away now." "But what if you need to put a screw something?" "Oh yeah." I suspect that Burton Richardson's students are going through a similar process with trapping in their JKD Concepts classes vs. grappling. I see their difficulty two ways: 1. JKD trapping mainly comes from Wing Chun. You WC guys please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but most of the "pure" Wing Chun I have seen seems to specialize in defending against straight line attacks to the centerline, not grappling entries. Conversely, a guy who tries to punch you out in a bar, starting the fight at conversational distance, will very often start the fight with a punch straight at your face. While I don't want to defend Wing Chun trapping too much (I feel it overspecializes in one particular aspect of fighting) I don't think people should dismiss one type of trapping just because it doesn't work against something it wasn't designed to counter in the first place. It's like saying that western boxing doesn't work well against low kicks. 2. Part of the problem with working in a closed environment like a martial arts school is that you often know your opponent's strengths, weaknesses and favorite techniques before the fight starts (something you would rarely have the luxury of in a street fight). If I knew my opponent was good at defending against straight centerline attacks, then obviously straight centerline attacks are the last thing I would throw at him. If one defines trapping as "a temporary immobilization of a limb in order to create an opening for your attack" then there is much Bert can draw from in Indonesian and Filipino trapping that will help deal with BJJ based grappling entries. I suspect the near future will see the advantage between grappling and striking with his students go back and forth the same way we saw the advantage go back and forth between grapplers and strikers in the UFC. If you remember the first UFC's you saw strikers (who were used to defending only against other strikers) getting creamed by grapplers (who were experienced in defending against both grapplers and strikers). As the strikers gained experience against grappling entries the tables turned (and will probably turn back again...and again). As martial arts instructors we should be careful that we don't go filling our toolbox exclusively with today's "Ultimate Weapon" because it can quickly become tomorrow's "Antique"(at least in the minds of the public). In the 50's Judo was the "Ultimate Weapon." In the 60's it was Karate. In the early 70's it was Kung Fu. Later in the 70's, it was common to stage "Boxing vs. Karate/Kung Fu" matches in which an amateur boxer would destroy a high level black belt. Boxing then became the "Ultimate Weapon." After that the Thai round kick was the "U.W.". Now the UFC has made grappling the "U.W. of the day" I am not saying that there is anything wrong with boxing, or the round kick or grappling. What I am saying is that when people see a tool work really well in one context, there is a tendency to want to fill their toolboxes with nothing but that one tool. That's fine if you know that you are only going to handle only one specific task that day, (the one that your tool was designed for), but in the street you rarely have that foreknowledge. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 19:50:57 EDT Subject: eskrima: FMA Supplies Ready Made Sticks: http://www.bloodsport.com/index1.htm http://www.crl.com/~mjr/stickman.html http://www.mdenterprise.com/ http://www.canemasters.com/ http://www.bladerigger.com http://lugani.com/visayanlegacy/index.html datu@erols.com 800-879-4574 Raw Rattan: http://www.weavenet.com/brw.html http://www.franksupply.com/bamboo.html Training Knives/Live Blades: http://www.cutleryshoppe.com http://www.discountknives.com http://www.skylandscutlery.com http://www.abc-direct.com http://members.aol.com/rburgee876/edges.html http://www.invis.com/kriscutlery/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Thanks Thanks to everyone for the warm wishes. I've recieved lots of email, but can't respond yet. Too difficult to type. 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