From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #314 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 30 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 314 In this issue: eskrima: Re: hock in Denver eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #313 eskrima: Training Question eskrima: MA control in North Carolina eskrima: Stretching eskrima: Re: Silat seminar eskrima: Shoulder status eskrima: . .......................................................................... Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Location: just north of Denver 7269 Lowell Blvd Westminster,CO for more info contact Zane at Bushidosh@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Whytewlfe@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:28:46 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #313 In a message dated 7/30/99 11:02:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:47:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #311 Hi all, Well, I can almost see my mail box filling up with repsonses to this contribution, but this is how I see this issue, so here goes... In regards to North Carolina wanting to license and regulate martial arts schools, I fail to see what the problem with this is. I have read the proposal, and to me it seems that what they are trying to accomplish is right on the money (no pun intended here). They are attempting to weed out those with a criminal history, those who are not qualified, and those of, as they say, "questionable character". I would like to see this happen on the basis of the last point alone. I can not tell you all how many instructors of "questionable character" I personally know of that are in the position of being a strong influence in the eyes of the gullible student. I can name three very prominent "instructors" who make a regular practice of 1.) dealing cocaine through his seminars, 2.) seducing his female students and the wives of his male students, even daughters of his students, and 3.), a master who is no longer with us who, when visiting one of the many schools that fell under the auspices of his organization, would require the head instructor of that school to provide him with a woman for the duration of his stay. He preferred teenage girls, BTW. I also know of several instructors who charge outlandish fees upfront, then fail to provide the promised lessons. Yes, I know that such regulation does step on one of our most basic inalienable rights, but so far it seems that a lot of people are failing to show the type of maturity needed to operate their businesses in a responsible manner. The regulation asked for in NC would require instructors to pass background checks concerning past legal problems, carry liability insurance, be certified in 1st aid/CPR, and be qualified in the art they claim to teach. Doesn't sound like much too ask to me. I can pass all of the above criteria...if anyone has a problem with meeting the requirements, then well...maybe they shouldn't be in such a position of public trust. Martial arts are a business like anything else, and by the very nature of providing a service, and the position the instructor holds in the eyes of his community, then it should be regulated and licensed like any other service-providing business. If your kids were taking swimming lessons, the above listed criteria would be the very least you would expect of the swimming instructor. Martial arts are absolutely no different. Considering the high esteem, indeed the almost godlike way we view a martial arts instructor, there should be no question as to the validity of this proposal. BTW, no, I'm not a communist...just a parent. Kim Hi all.. sorry if this gets posted twice.. my computer locked up when I attempted to send it the first time. Kim, I can certainly see where you are coming from on this issue, but I have to disagree. This is another way for the government to get it's hands on more money, under the guise of "helping people". First off, if the bad guys grease the right palms, they'll continue to teach. The honest Dojo operators on the other hand, might just go out of business, considering how expensive this plan is. this is plain wrong. bad teachers & incompetent people will always peddle their wares, despite laws to the contrary. It's up to us, the "consumers" if you will, to solve the problem, & it's not very difficult. go somewhere else for instruction. when the incompetents & theives have no customers, they go away. You cite 3 "masters" as evidence of need of this type of legislation.. Question.. why are they still teaching, & not in jail? It is not the way of the warrior to follow dishonorable people. The people who are victimized by these "masters", those who are affected by them, need to grow stones & either call the law, or do whatever is necessary to remove themselves from the situation. you should never complain about what you let happen. people need to take responsibility for their own training, & that includes finding honorable people to help them on their path. that is YOUR job, & NOT the governments. Tom ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:32:33 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Training Question Greetings... Anyon ehere ever studied Southern Mantis? If yes, how would you compare it to Kali/Silat? How relevant to the methods of Kali/Silat are the methods of Southern Mantis? How might the Southern Mantis methods fare in attempts to cope with the stick/blade methods of Kali? Please respond private to kalki@sprintmail.com. Thanks. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Matt Corley" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:07:39 -0500 Subject: eskrima: MA control in North Carolina Hello to all, I've been reading the posts about the new proposed law about regulating martial arts training and I just have a few questions. 1) I know people with a criminal past (felony and misdemeanor) that are good people. I think that discriminating against someone for their past is wrong. Many people can rehabilitate themselves and others do turn to martial arts for discipline and guidance to help them cope with whatever was causing them to break the law in the past. I don't want to insinuate that everyone with a criminal past is OK, but it can be a very fine line to distinguish and when we allow others in a committee to make that decision we lose a lot of choices, and so do the people whose life they are deciding. 2) I have also had a lot of problems with instructors who aren't qualified. But who gets to decide? The politicians, a board of martial artists, someone else? How can we be assured certain styles won't be screwed over because the people/person on the committee doesn't like or understand it. The problems that NHB fights have had show that the politics of martial arts doesn't have to be logical. 3) Instructors of questionable character. This is also very hard to define. I know of several different cultures and people who think that a single male (such as myself) who goes out drinking and engages in pre-marital sex is immoral, and that I shouldn't be in a position of trust or leadership. I know that is probably not what anyone is worried about, but once a politician starts to get control they often take it to extremes. My suggestion of how to control these types of people is: if he/she is doing something illegal (selling cocaine, statutory rape. whatever) report them to the police. If we regulate ourselves fewer people will try to tell us what to do. 4) I do agree with the liability insurance and CPR knowledge though. I just think that this is a step down the wrong path. Turk Corley In regards to: Hi all, Well, I can almost see my mail box filling up with repsonses to this contribution, but this is how I see this issue, so here goes... In regards to North Carolina wanting to license and regulate martial arts schools, I fail to see what the problem with this is. I have read the proposal, and to me it seems that what they are trying to accomplish is right on the money (no pun intended here). They are attempting to weed out those with a criminal history, those who are not qualified, and those of, as they say, "questionable character". I would like to see this happen on the basis of the last point alone. I can not tell you all how many instructors of "questionable character" I personally know of that are in the position of being a strong influence in the eyes of the gullible student. I can name three very prominent "instructors" who make a regular practice of 1.) dealing cocaine through his seminars, 2.) seducing his female students and the wives of his male students, even daughters of his students, and 3.), a master who is no longer with us who, when visiting one of the many schools that fell under the auspices of his organization, would require the head instructor of that school to provide him with a woman for the duration of his stay. He preferred teenage girls, BTW. I also know of several instructors who charge outlandish fees upfront, then fail to provide the promised lessons. Yes, I know that such regulation does step on one of our most basic inalienable rights, but so far it seems that a lot of people are failing to show the type of maturity needed to operate their businesses in a responsible manner. The regulation asked for in NC would require instructors to pass background checks concerning past legal problems, carry liability insurance, be certified in 1st aid/CPR, and be qualified in the art they claim to teach. Doesn't sound like much too ask to me. I can pass all of the above criteria...if anyone has a problem with meeting the requirements, then well...maybe they shouldn't be in such a position of public trust. Martial arts are a business like anything else, and by the very nature of providing a service, and the position the instructor holds in the eyes of his community, then it should be regulated and licensed like any other service-providing business. If your kids were taking swimming lessons, the above listed criteria would be the very least you would expect of the swimming instructor. Martial arts are absolutely no different. Considering the high esteem, indeed the almost godlike way we view a martial arts instructor, there should be no question as to the validity of this proposal. BTW, no, I'm not a communist...just a parent. Kim ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:11:54 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Stretching A Howl etc: > A helpful hint on stretching in terms of what to stretch in what order > ... in any stretching progression one should stretch the smallest > involved muscle first popliteus, so it > too should be stretched/relaxed before attacking the hamstrings). > > Be well, > Mik This is an interesting principal. I had noticed the correlation with the calves and the hamstrings but had not seen the larger principal. And OK showoff, ;-) what is the popliteus? - ------------------------------ Gint wrote: > I, too, was addicted scientific stretching for a number of years. Now, > as a human who sits in a chair for way too long, I've found that simply doing > a few sets of leg swings every morning after a short run (up to a mile) is > enough to maintain flexibility. I spent way too much money on stretching > books, videos, machines and professional advice. After many years of > morning ritual, I'm confident of the essentials that work for me: > stretch daily, after a short run. And another good point: you have to find what works for you and fits with life. In that vein, I'd like to offer the following: The Isomaxx Stretch Strap-- available from "Health for Life", the folks of The 7 Minute Rotator Cuff Solution and Legendary Abs. It runs about $50, which is far too much if you look at it in terms of the costs of the items necessary to make it, but worth far more in terms of how well it works. Basically, it is a strap of adjustable length with loops at each end. You sit in a straddle stretch with the legs slightly bent, adjust the length accordingly and straighten your legs. The result is a tension (adjust length to adjust the degree of tension) that keeps feet pulled (stretching the foot and calves-- illustrating Mik's point), the leg straight, (hamstring) the back supported. In short, you are in a proper posture straddle stretch. (Many, many people cannot hold a proper alignment and slump in a way stressful tot he lower back when assaying a straddle stretch) You can lean forward or to the side, etc for variables that get the waist and lower back as well. Typically I use it while I read the morning papers. After a section or two, I'll rotate it with other positions (cross-legged, hurdlers done properly, squatting-- not as in weight training, but as in defecation) By the time I'm done with my three papers, I'm pretty loose and turn over and do the sphinx stretch for the psoas and by pulling my heels to my butt I get the quads too. (Vital for those of us who sit a lot) Like Gint points out, you have to find the routine that works for you that you will actually do. YMMV, but for me the Isomaxx is great. It is one of my most used pieces of equipment and travels well. I tuck it in my carry on pack when I fly and find it indispensable in preparing my body for flying and for recovering from those #%^ing tiny seats afterwards. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Todd D. Ellner" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:42:41 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Silat seminar TCSNo@aol.com writes: << >Richard Dobson, my Silat instructor and long time amigo is coming to town. >> >Isn't Richard in the Plinck video as an assistant and attacker?? Yep. He's the big guy with the gray ponytail. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Shoulder status It has now been just over a week since my rotator cuff surgery. Thanks to all that sent me their best wishes. Attached is a summary of rotator cuff problems and treatments, for those that requested more info. Me? I can use my right hand/wrist/elbow, but my upper arm must remain in close to my side. I can only raise my arm about 1 inch to the side or about 2 inches to the front. Ray Terry rterry@best.com - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is the rotator cuff? The rotator cuff is a set of 4 muscles that motor the shoulder joint. These muscles originate from the shoulder blade (or scapula) and turn into fibrous tendons as they approach the outer aspect of the shoulder. These 4 tendons surround the front, top, and back of the shoulder joint. A lubricating tissue (or bursa) lies on the surface of the rotator cuff tendons. The tendons and bursa normally glide smoothly between the bone at the tip of the shoulder (called the acromion) and the top of the upper arm bone (the humerus.) When the rotator cuff muscles contract, they pull on the rotator cuff tendons, allowing the shoulder to move through the wide range of motion which we enjoy during daily and recreational activities. How is the rotator cuff injured? The rotator cuff may be injured by one dramatic trauma, such as falling on an outstretched arm, or it may be injured by repetitive overhand activity. Either form of injury can lead to swelling of the rotator cuff tendon and its bursa known as impingement syndrome. Either injury may also result in a complete tearing of the rotator cuff tendon from the humerus bone, known as a rotator cuff tear. What is impingement syndrome? When the rotator cuff tendons and the overlying bursa become swollen and inflamed it produces impingement syndrome. There are many factors that make someone more likely to have impingement. The most common is the size, shape and thickness of the outer edge of the scapula bone (the acromion.) The acromion may have a bony spur on its front edge which points down towards the rotator cuff tendon. With repetitive forward elevation and overhead activity, the rotator cuff and bursa may impact on this spur and become chronically irritated. Repetitive activities which involve forward elevation of the arm may put a patient at higher risk for impingement syndrome. How is impingement syndrome diagnosed? Impingement syndrome results in pain with overhead activity such as lifting a coat into a closet, placing items onto a shelf or even throwing a ball. Frequently the pain is worse at night and often interrupts sleep. If a patient has severe impingement pain, they may also develop some weakness in the arm but they most often are able to lift the arm overhead. Impingement syndrome is best diagnosed by a physical examination by the orthopedist. Special impingement tests can suggest impingement syndrome. Plain X-rays of the shoulder may show the presence of a bony spur; an MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) may be obtained to further identify inflammation of the bursa and the rotator cuff, and to rule out a full tear of the rotator cuff. How is impingement syndrome treated? Treatment begins with a period of rest from overhead activity, ice, anti-inflammatory medications (such as Motrin or Advil) and an exercise program. The exercise program may be self-directed or done with a physical therapist. Often a cortisone injection into the bursal space above the rotator cuff tendon is helpful to relieve swelling, inflammation and night pain. Is surgery necessary for impingement syndrome? If impingement symptoms continue in spite of the above steps and the patient is unable to carry out his or her work, recreational activities, and daily chores, and has difficulty with sleeping, then surgery is warranted. An arthroscope can be used to treat impingement syndrome. The arthroscope is introduced into the shoulder joint and visualizes the surfaces of the bones, the shoulder ligaments and the undersurface of the rotator cuff. The arthroscope allows confirmation that the rotator cuff is intact and, if this is the case, the arthroscope can then be introduced into the bursal space just above the rotator cuff. With the aid of a small arthroscopic shaver, the chronically thickened, inflamed bursa can be removed; with the use of a burr any bone spurs can be removed to allow the rotator cuff to glide smoothly and freely through the bursal space without impinging on the undersurface of the acromion bone. This procedure takes about 60 minutes and is done on an outpatient basis (without an overnight stay in the hospital.) How is the shoulder cared for after arthroscopy? A bulky dressing is applied to the shoulder area and a sling is provided for support of the arm. The patient is encouraged to wean himself or herself from the sling within the first 24 hours and to use the arm for non-vigorous activities. The dressing is removed after 48 hours. Some bruising and swelling may be present. The patient will see 2-3 small incisions, each with a stitch. Patients return for a follow up visit in 7-10 days and the stitches are removed at that time. An exercise program with a physical therapist is often started to help gain full range of motion and restore strength to the rotator cuff. How long is the recovery after shoulder arthroscopy? Patients may return to work within several days, but if their job requires heavy lifting or climbing return may be delayed several weeks. Full recovery and return to pre-injury athletic activities occurs in 8-12 weeks after shoulder arthroscopy. >>> What is a rotator cuff tear? <<< The rotator cuff tendons can be torn with a fall on the outstretched arm which causes the rotator cuff to be pinched between the upper arm bone (humerus) and the shoulder blade (acromion). The rotator cuff can also be torn by chronic impingement of the tendon on an acromial spur. The spur progressively breaks down the rotator cuff and may finally lead to a full thickness tear. How is a rotator cuff tear diagnosed? Patients with a rotator cuff tear often show symptoms similar to chronic impingement (pain with overhead activity and night pain.) However, patients with a rotator cuff tear often have significant weakness in their arm and may be completely unable to lift their arm away from their side. A rotator cuff tear is best diagnosed by a physical examination by an orthopedist. An MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) may be obtained to confirm a full thickness rotator cuff tear. How is a rotator cuff tear treated? A full thickness rotator cuff tear often results in significant disability in the arm. If the pain and weakness seriously interfere with work, recreational activities and sleep patterns, then surgery is necessary. The rotator cuff tear does not heal on its own. An arthroscope is used to view the shoulder joint and document any injury to the surfaces of the shoulder bones and also to confirm the presence, size and position of the rotator cuff tear. The arthroscope may also be used to remove any bone spurs which are present in the shoulder area. Current techniques for repair of a rotator cuff tear require approximately a 3 inch incision over the outer aspect of the shoulder. Through this incision the rotator cuff tears are identified and the torn edges reattached to the humerus bone with stitches and metal clamps. This procedure takes about 2 hours under a general anesthesia and may be done on an outpatient basis. How is the shoulder cared for after rotator cuff repair? A sterile dressing is applied to the shoulder joint and the arm is placed in a shoulder immobilizer (a sling with a strap that extends around the waist). Patients are encouraged to use their hand, wrist, and elbow but active elevation of the arm away from the body is not allowed. The dressing is removed 48 hours later. Some bruising and swelling may be present. The patient will see a 3 inch incision and 1 or 2 arthroscopy incisions. The patient returns for a follow-up visit in 7-10 days and the stitches are removed. A formal exercise program is then started with a physical therapist. How long is the recovery period after rotator cuff repair? It requires approximately 4-6 weeks for the rotator cuff tendon to heal down into the bone. During that time if active motion of the shoulder is carried out, the rotator cuff may be pulled away from its repair site. Patients begin a formal physical therapy program at approximately 10-14 days from surgery. For the first 4-6 weeks, patients are allowed to actively move their hand, wrist and elbow. Shoulder motion, however, is purely passive during that initial period. This passive motion is carried out by the physical therapist or by the patient with the assistance of the opposite arm. At 4-6 weeks the rotator cuff tendon has healed enough to the bone that active assisted and active range of motion may be started. Strengthening of the rotator cuff muscles begins at about 8 weeks from surgery and continues for 2-3 months. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #314 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan System of Eskrima, Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.