From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #318 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 3 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 318 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #317 eskrima: Knife fighting in (New) Mexico ??? eskrima: Angel reply eskrima: To Datu or not to Datu... Re: eskrima: To Datu or not to Datu... eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mikal Keenan Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:55:37 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #317 > Thanks for the stretching info, Mik. De nada muchacho. > As one rehabing a knee, I found the > notion of calf flexibility limiting hamstring stretch interesting. I never > thought to look at that side of the joint, and will try stretching with > that idea in mind. Very good for you m'friend. > And, can you elaborate on the reasons for stretching the hip flexors more > than the hamstrings? > > Jeff Brooks OK . . . consider that the weight-bearing muscle groups get more work than any other skeletal muscles, therefore they maintain more "residual contraction" than any other muscles at rest even. They therefore need more attention vis-a-vis maintaining good range of motion (ROM). For the hip action specifically, the quads are the major weight-bearing muscles that we use in crouching, running, jumping etc. The hamstrings play a role in stabilizing in concert with the quad, but the quadas still take the brunt of the work and we notice imbalance between quadas and hams when the hams aren't up to the loads that we put on the quads, e.g., lunges that may not overstress the quads can "cut" the hams up pretty bad (or at least it feels that way!!!). 'Nuff rambling ... one of the components of hip ROM that may not get enough attention is extension. People often emphsaize hip flexion in stretching and not enough extension which can exaggerate the effects of use of the quad and psoas groups (which flex the hip). Add in the residual contraction from kneeing and kicking, etc. which rely on both the quads and psoas to lift and/or extend the leg. The (ilio)psoas attaches in part to the front of the lumbar (lower) spine. When they shorten they pull this forward yielding a tendency toward swayback and whatever detrimental effects that might have on our functions. NEway, since they get so much work as postural muscles and since they get so much work in kneeing/kicking, both the quads and psoas can require more stretching than the hamstrings. They are not as easily stretched as the hamstrings for the same reasons. Think about it. How easy is it to sit upright in frontal splits? To lay forward in frontal splits may be easier for some, e.g., when the hamstrings have been elongated. If the iliopsoas/quads have not been similarly elongated the motion of the pelvis will be restricted. How to: use any/all lunge-like stretches for the same or greater amount of time that you put into hamstring stretches and finish with at least attempts at frontal splits with the spine upright. Hanumantaka! Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Joe Marszalek Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Knife fighting in (New) Mexico ??? When I got a chance to talk to Dr. Gyi this past May he mentioned he refereed a few knife sparring matches. I believe it was in New Mexico or Mexico. He said they where pretty deadly. Anyone have any knowledge or info on this type of activity or culture behind this? Sincerely, Joe Marszalek === Web Admin for Martial Arts Koncepts -- http://home.earthlink.net/~makoncept _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ansel Chin Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:43:34 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Angel reply I will present Haru's questions to GM Vincent. Stay tuned. ------------------------------ From: "Eric Taimanglo" Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:23:06 -0700 Subject: eskrima: To Datu or not to Datu... Why is it that I see Western practitioners of FMA being given the title of Datu? Isn't Datu a title of chiefmanship given to a individual within the Moro tribes residing in the southern regions of the Philippine Islands? As a FMA practitioner who has the blood of the islands flowing through his veins, and although I am not a Moro Warrior, I think this practice of bestowing such a title to a "Balikbayan" is insulting to the true culture which founded the art in the first place, and secondly, is, quite frankly, based largely upon falsehood. I am quite certain Lapu Lapu and other true Filipino heroes are waiting for an explanation as well. Send me your comments or flames, either way, I want to get to the bottom of this. BISAKA MAGTAMBUKAN? email me at: scorpioboy@hotbot.com HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: To Datu or not to Datu... > Why is it that I see Western practitioners of FMA being given the title of > Datu? Are they being given the title or have they just assumed it? I suspect the latter... Either way it essentially shows how little they really know about the Filipino culture, IMHO. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #318 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.