From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #326 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 6 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 326 In this issue: eskrima: Title eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #325 eskrima: more titles eskrima: Re: A total non-sequiter (sp?) eskrima: JKD, JKDC eskrima: Re: History eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: n9yz@unb.ca Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:00:01 -0300 (ADT) Subject: eskrima: Title Just to add on what Luis Pellicer has said, so far is the most accurate response to this thread. The title Datu is common in the Malay world (Phillipine, Malaysia, Indonesia). In Malaysia it is called Datuk. It is bestow the same way as Luis as described (i.e to citizen who have done some sort of exemplary service). It is usually awarded by the King or the Sultan of each state (other Malaysian on this list please correct me if I am wrong). I would re-iterate the advice that please do not refer or introduce yourself as a "Datu" or "Datuk" when you are in SE Asia. I have never heard on anyone who refer themselves as Datuk other than being refer to by others or signing official document or public statement. You don't say "Hi, I am Datuk so and so". PL > The noble class still exists in the south, as Datus still exist. (My wifes > family on her mothers side is of that line) Is it proper to use it? Proper > is a relative term, but I would advise that in the unlikelyhood that you > ever go to the southern Philippines, that you NOT use that title. Today the > title is also used as an honorific one, given to people who have done some > sort of exemplary service to filipino society. This is bestowed by the > Philippine president and is the equivalent of an honorary knighthood, > though I don't know of any recipients who actually use it. The term Datu > has not changed in time, anywhere you go out here people KNOW what it > means. It is probably only in Mindanao though, where someone using the > title who is obviously not of the line, would get challenged. Challenged as > in guns, or if they're feeling a little nasty, blades. ------------------------------ From: Mikal Keenan Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:09:12 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #325 > Another, of > which I forget the name, you lie on your belly and grab your ankles and > pull so that your spine arches like a bow. It's called "The Bow." :-) ------------------------------ From: David Reyes Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:41:26 -0700 Subject: eskrima: more titles > > It just seems that certain titles have a specific meaning to specific > cultures. e.g. Kaiser, Pope, Prince of Wales, Senator, Bishop, Czar, > Datu, Rajah, Within the Ruma Bechara (royal council) and assisting the Sultan, other titled members existed such as, the Panglima (the head official for a particular combination of villages). Subordinate to him were various Marajahs; Marajah Bangsawan and Marajah Pawalawan. There is also the Orangkaya (a low chief or villlage headman). There is also the Nakib (military leader), Laksmana (the Panglima's messenger), the Parkasa (aide), the Bintala (district supervisor of local religious leaders) or Imam Mullam and the Imam Halipa as they are known. There is also the Makabil and Monary (police). The heir apparent to the Sultan is the Raja Muda. Regards, David Reyes~ ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: A total non-sequiter (sp?) OK Rocky, I just gotta ask ... how do you pronounce your last name? Mike _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:24:29 -0700 Subject: eskrima: JKD, JKDC Ok I know you have posted this stuff before but I had know real interest at the time. But now I have to JKD guys who have been training under me for the last few months, and just a couple of weeks ago a guy started privates, who says he is a JKDC guy. They both seem the same to me, as far as ability and practicality, and their explanations seem kinda vague, so if Doc. or Marc, or some would, I'd appreciate an explanation. Also during a class the other day the conversation came up again. When did GM Gaji start calling his art Kali, or did he always do this? I never real trained under Erwin, but rather a couple of his students, and they always called it Arnis, pronouncing it Arnez, as did Erwin, is this just an isolated thing or did GM Gaji actually change it. Rocky ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:20:51 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: History >The judge is called is Datu Kali. The word kali being derived from the the Arabic > word meaning "judge". Luis (LSPIII) , if I may, what is your take on this author's assertion? The same notes that before Islam arrived on Magindanao the ruler was a timuway not a datu. On my former mention of Juru Pakal.... "Raja Indarapatra handed to his brother his ring and his Kris, Juru Pakal, and wished him safety and successful." The author footnotes Juru Pakal as - "This word a corruption of the Arabic word Thul-Fakar, the name of the famous sword of the Caliph Ali. Ali was a noted warrior." Oh well not a reverse grip 12 count ;) I've been informed that the seminar with Tuhon McGrath in Plymouth, MA tommorrow (Aug. 7th) is full so if you didn't pre-pay you're outta luck (which includes moi ..wadda pissah as they say in RI speak). Regards, Travis P.S. Hope that shoulder is doing well Ray. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #326 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.