From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #327 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 7 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 327 In this issue: eskrima: Not in front or behind, but completely the contrary eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #326 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #325 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #325 eskrima: long and short eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:52:36 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Not in front or behind, but completely the contrary A Howl of Greeting to All Rocky wrote: > Ok I know you have posted this stuff before but I had know (sic ;-)) real interest > at the time. But now I have to (sic ;-)) JKD guys who have been training under me > for the last few months, and just a couple of weeks ago a guy started > privates, who says he is a JKDC guy. They both seem the same to me, as > far as ability and practicality, and their explanations seem kinda > vague, so if Doc. or Marc, or some would, I'd appreciate an explanation. > > Also during a class the other day the conversation came up again. When > did GM Gaji start calling his art Kali, or did he always do this? I > never real trained under Erwin, but rather a couple of his students, and > they always called it Arnis, pronouncing it Arnez, as did Erwin, is this > just an isolated thing or did GM Gaji actually change it. Oy vey! Well, in JKDC vocabulary (as I use it anyway) JKDC is the body of principles and concepts organized and developed by Bruce Lee. Jun Fan Gung Fu is Bruce Lee's personal style-- Jun Fan was his name in Cantonese, so JFGF is simply Bruce Lee Kung Fu. Thus as I see it one can take JKDC and apply it in any context, in stickfighting for example. When I teach the high caveman chamber for example, I explain it in terms of taking advantage of the principle of choice reaction time (i.e. less choices to make in response, lead to quicker response) The FMA are loaded with JKDC principles. As for JKD, I'm not sure I could describe it without thinking of certain individuals behavior and commenting thereon negatively, so I'll pass on that. As for GT GajE, yes he started out with "Arnis", and now uses "Kali", but I cannot clarify further. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Cartlon H. Fung,D.D.S." Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:59:27 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #326 Rocky, GMC is to chevy as JKD is to JKDC...they are the same. Regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. >Ok I know you have posted this stuff before but I had know real interest >at the time. But now I have to JKD guys who have been training under me >for the last few months, and just a couple of weeks ago a guy started >privates, who says he is a JKDC guy. They both seem the same to me, as >far as ability and practicality, and their explanations seem kinda >vague, so if Doc. or Marc, or some would, I'd appreciate an explanation. ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:08:07 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #325 Guro John Bain, My apologies for not mentioning you on my earlier post of FMA in the DFW area. I don't think I stated that it was an exhaustive list, but because there were many names it may have implied that message to some people. Thank you also for mentioning Anding DeLeon. I did not know if he was still in the metroplex or where he was teaching. > >From: GuroJohn@aol.com >Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 03:10:44 EDT >Subject: eskrima: Re: D/FW area > >Dear Jesse, >I don't know of a whole lot of FMA players in the D/FW area. But then >again I >just moved here last year. I know of and have trained with a gentle >man in >Garland by the name of Anding DeLeon. He is an excellent practitioner >of >Modern Arnis and was a student of Professor Presas in the Philippines. >I live >in Plano and I teach on Saturday mornings at Faith United Methodist >Church (A >predominantly Pilipino church). I teach the Pambuan System of Arnis >and >Kuntaw. I only charge $5.00 per class and that goes to the church. If >Plano >in not to far for you please page me at 972-922-0293. > >Gumagalang (with respect), >John Bain > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 08:44:41 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #325 >From: Luis Pellicer >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:46:57 +0800 >Subject: eskrima: Pre-historic titles, Lapulapu etc. >....a Bisaya warrior would >never go into battle without three items. (Could be interesting to those >who practice "Bisaya based Kali" arts.) > >1. A slashing weapon - either a kalis (kris in Malay) or a Kampilan >2. A long stabbing weapon - Bankaw or the generalized term for spear, >though there are many types of spears. >3. A short stabbing weapon - Usually a baladaw which is a style of dagger >with a short, single edged blade. > >Nowhere have I read that sticks were prefered over blades(Sorry Guro Dan, >but I still like the book) in fact, sticks are never mentioned at all. >Burned tipped spears are mentioned, but were not considered essential. The >long stabbing weapon was alway STEEL or IRON headed. The weapon considered >most important among the three was the STEEL TIPPED SPEAR. While some of the warriors would have had metal blades, the majority did not. The culture of the Visayan Islands at that time was strictly on a subsistance basis- in other words, the people lived on what they got from the trees (coconuts, mangos, etc.), what fish they could catch and some small animal husbandry. There was some farming as well, but it was not a major part of the local economy. As Legaspi discovered when he went to the Philippines 50 years after Magellan, the area around Cebu could not even support the men of his fleet. He was forced to constantly go out and raid other islands for food and he eventually left for greener pastures- Luzon and Leyte. The island of Mactan is basically a barren rock over much of it's area, and had mangroves around much of it's coastline, so it is likely that Lapu-Lapu and his people were some of the poorer people around. Good metal weapons are expensive, and were even more so at that time, relatively speaking. A good blade would be perhaps the most valuable thing a man could own, and most people just didn't have anywhere near the resources to have one. Just as in Europe of the Middle Ages, the lords and knights had good weapons and everyone else had spears, bows, clubs, fire-hardened sticks, etc. Pigafetta chronicled the attack and specifically describes many of the weapons as sticks. The arrival of the Spanish actually caused a great increase in the availability and use of blades, until they banned them, at which time the people went back to the sticks. It must be remembered, however, that when we say sticks we are not talking about rattan. There are many varieties of wood in the Philippines that are so dense that they can even be sharpened. Some of that wood is unavailable today, but an ironwood stick that was flattened to resemble a blade would have been the equal of many of the blades of 500 years ago. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:39:04 EDT Subject: eskrima: long and short Hi, Well i guess practical application of your art can come in all colors.Yesterday I spoted a Wasp nest above my neighbor's door and volunteered to take care of it.It was a big sucker with about 15-20 wasp on it,mean ones.Well stupid me.I just grabbed what was handy,a book that i had in my left hand and a small mop that was lying around(36")a.k.a.Long and Short..After spraying it wth a can of Bee and Rouch killer,which really made them angry they took off after anything they could attack,me mainly.Well I could almost keep them at bay with the mop(Long) but occasionally one or two would zip through to come at my face,which i was lucky enough to pary,smack,out of the way with the book(Short). Afterwards that got me to thinking,"is the Long&Short method the backbone of FMA's? Or is it just one of the any varied methods within the art itself? Was the LOng&Short the configuration most often carried into battle?Was the Long&Short an Filipino Idea or did it originate with the Spanish?Other than Sword and Dagger what was some other popular Long&Short weapons? If any of you know these anwsers please respond. Barry Meadows Sweat more_Bleed Less ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #327 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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