From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #333 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 12 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 333 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Special Forces soldiers get knife and blade combat training eskrima: Liberate yourself eskrima: Rocky's Seminar eskrima: JKD/C - FMA eskrima: Re: datuk eskrima: DBMA in Bay Area eskrima: just the thing! eskrima: To be or not ot be eskrima: . eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:43:59 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Special Forces soldiers get knife and blade combat training i met norris Domangue recently in Los Angeles when visting the Inosanto Academy. He is under Marc McFann's Unified Fighting Arts and is now on the Inosanto instructors programme. i met him there in March when he was at the Instructors camp. A larger than life person, he is a really friendly monster of a man who i had to partner in the Jun Fan class. his groundwork was very impressive as it always is with McFanns students. pat davies aberdeen martial arts group Subject: eskrima: Special Forces soldiers get knife and blade combat training > >Special Forces soldiers get knife and blade combat training > > by Spc. Daniel L. Savolskis > snip > . It was taught by Norris > Domangue, Hackman-Domangue Martial Arts Program, and co-developed by > Ray Parra, Academy of Martial Arts Kali/ Salat and Jun Fan. ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:41:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: Liberate yourself Hi, I certainly do not claim to know any great deal about JKD or JKDC.I've had my exposure to the whole ball of wax that is called Jeet Kune Do.It seems nomatter how close one is to a worthy sorce(Crafty<~>Dan) one still makes mistakes concerning the topic.There is certainly nothing wrong with that fact but it does convey a bit of the problem one encounters when trying to convey such a subjective thing as "truth in combat". If Bruce was around would he be writing articles such as "Liberate yourself from JKD(c)"? I don't know. I do know that my ride on the boat that is called JKD was a liberating experience.I dont feel compeled to really worry about it.I'll continue to seek out and problem solve on my own. Anything I come up will be my own doing,-good-bad-or ugly.I'll gladly take the credit or the humiliation.Is that JKD(c)?I dont know.Is it an applied JKD philosophy?Dont know that either.I think it is but im not going to put it on a business card.In the end I guess ill just leave the anwser to that question for greater minds than mine. Sweat more-Bleed less ------------------------------ From: Remy Sticks Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Rocky's Seminar Rocky If I missed the posting on the list I apologize, but I don't recall seeing the date time or location of your recent trip to our fair city. I would have loved to come and rock with the Rock. Please let us know when you will be in town next. You do know that a certain sponser of your seminars gets selective amnesia when it comes to informing some of us of the people he brings in Sticks _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:08:55 -0230 Subject: eskrima: JKD/C - FMA Hi all, As a newcomer to the arts, my understanding is that the "C" is added on to mean concepts, as Sijo Lee developed JKD as a theory or an idea rather than an art with set rules. Hence, (i love using that word in sentences:) Filipino Martial Arts becomes a part of JKD/C as does grappling, and karate, and cat-throwing ;) and anything else that works. While the different styles and systems remain discrete, when combined, adapted or blended they become part of the 'idea' of Jeet Kune Do. I guess "concepts" underlines the idea that it is not a rigid system, but a fluid idea which is to be adapted by the practitioner, and which is constantly changing. (O my elders, please correct me if my understanding is wrong) The problem with naming something is that it immediately becomes defined by that name, and becomes constricted by each individual's definition. Most rackets start because one person's definition differs from another, whether in martial arts, religion, or whatever. If I remember my reading correctly, it is inaccurate for me to say I study Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do - - I study my own Jeet Kune Do, based on Sijo Lee's theory and method of teaching. When studying Filipino Martial Arts, I begin with my instructor's or school's style, but (hopefully) eventually develop my own style of FMA, or at least my own interpretation of another's system, as I adapt what I am taught to suit my abilities, strengths and weaknesses. I mean no disrespect to anyone - this is just my current philosophy on the whole thing - subject to change and revision without notice ;) Jocelyne P.S. I have NO interest in the internal politics of martial arts - I'm strictly in it for the philosophy , the kicking and the sticks ;) Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: "Jason Inay" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:51:22 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: datuk In regards to the titles, ranks, certificates,just a word or two. Ranking and other means to show proficiency is just for political reasons. Martial Arts being predominately male, and typical male behavior is to establish a pecking order, titles are necessary. What vocab you use is irrelevant. Sometimes I will query someone on the validity of there chosen ranking system, but that is just to see there reasoning. One thing we must consider in reviewing another system's or style's ranking system is their terminology. This thread has essentialy agreed with the idea that words or terms are containers of information, and are not subject to change or interpretation. It is not just the title but the criteria to recieve that title that is important. Now, I apologize in advance if some of you find this offensive. NO PERSON, COUNTRY, ETC.... owns a word. Our terminology and vocabulary is subjective to our own background. Though you may be sensitive to using ethnic titles such as Datu or Sultan (etc.), if you thingk about it the words are not being used the same way. There criteria is very different. In effect they are totally different words. For example if propaganda has such a bad stigma when used, why is that not in the dictionary. ( check it out) In regards to Knightly and Kingly titles. The Society for Creative Anachronisms does bestow such titles. Their criterium is such that you must fight in tournaments to be bestowed rank. There is good and bad in everything, and I certainly would hesitate fighting the good ones in the S.C.A. such as Duke Paul Of Beletrix. ( the duke title is bestowed upon someone who has won 3 Crown Tourneys) Guro29 Jason Inay Chance favors only the prepared mind..... Pasteur Those who are willing to sacrifice Freedom for safety do not deserve Freedom.... Franklin _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:28:00 -0700 Subject: eskrima: DBMA in Bay Area A Howl of Greeting to All: DBMA Lakan Guro (amongst his many and greater titles ;-) ) Loki "C-Tricky Dog" Jorgenson will be living in San Francisco (North Beach area) and working at Stanford from mid-September (which means he will probably miss the Gathering-- bummer!) to mid-December. He can currently be e-mailed at Loki@cecm.sfu.ca Woof, Guro Crafty DBIMA ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:39:45 -0700 Subject: eskrima: just the thing! A Howl etc: It was written: > Boar tusk for Guru McGrath ---- Get your pitbull, and get into a swamp and > get a boar. Or, according to a front page article in the Wall Street Journal a year or two back, there are feral pig hunts in Hawaii wherein the kill is done with knife or spear. Just the ticket for Bill to get his boar's teeth! Uhh, do pigs grow tusks? I'm a city boy! Even if not, what an experience! For you anti-hunting people out there, allow me to point out that feral pigs are not part of the ecology of the Hawaii, and those that have gotten loose have been breeding prolifically and are VERY destructive of the environment. (Think of the snakes that got to Guam and killed all the birds) Rooting them out is a service. Doing it with a knife is putting your butt on the line big time. In a similar vein, there are areas of the mainland where the same question is presented and one can arrange to go on feral pig hunts and use dogs as part of the team. Pits are preferred by many. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "Weymouth, Rob (Worley - Perth)" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:30:12 +0800 Subject: eskrima: To be or not ot be The list is a little quiet at the moment so i might risk a question which may be slightly off topic. I risk it because it does concern the country and culture of the arts we are discussing. I have the opportunity of donating to a charity which runs one of those ' sponsor a child ' programs. By happenstance my potential child comes from the Phillipines, Manila in fact. It is claimed that my periodical donations will help improve the childs education, nutrition and health. My background checks on the charity seem to indicate it is legitimate. I guess I'm seeking impressions from the list members of the standard of living in general in the RP and specifically in Manila. Is there a large proportion of the population in need of aid? Is anyone aware of the efficacy of these programs in the RP? I've always been wary of these sorts of programs - no one wants to think that your kid is using your money to buy crack or worse, host all-night Jean Claude Van Damme video sessions for all his friends. :) Probably a reply to private email would be most appropriate. Thanks, Rob ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #333 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.