From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #336 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 13 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 336 In this issue: Re: eskrima: picky, picky Re: eskrima: picky, picky Re: eskrima: picky, picky eskrima: questions Re: eskrima: questions eskrima: FMA technique links eskrima: rattan snapping in half eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #335 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Fulton Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:03:49 -0400 Subject: Re: eskrima: picky, picky At 10:30 AM 8/13/99 -0700, the Crafty Dog wrote: > > >A Howl etc: > <> > > The basic point, that males are hierarchical, is quite sound. I would >quibble with the assertion that titles are necessary and proffer BJJ as an >example of an art where most simply go by their first name. > I would agree with Crafty Dog here, and offer another group as an example of this .... The Dog Brothers. They don't use titles, that I'm aware of. "Top Dog", "Crafty Dog", etc are nick names, not titles. So, why is it that some groups don't need titles? It's because when you go all out, everyone knows where they stand at then end of the day, and so the hierarchy is established. Claiming titles like: Grandmaster, Datu, etc is pretty moot if you just got your butt whooped! Respectfully, Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Full Contact Martial Arts Association "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'...'til you can find a big stick." ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: picky, picky > I would agree with Crafty Dog here, and offer another group as an example of > this .... The Dog Brothers. They don't use titles, that I'm aware of. "Top > Dog", "Crafty Dog", etc are nick names, not titles. Aren't Associate Instructor or Head Instructor titles? I think our Dog friends have titles similar to those, yes? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:39:50 -0400 Subject: Re: eskrima: picky, picky Previously, I wrote: "So, why is it that some groups don't need titles? It's because when you go all out, everyone knows where they stand at then end of the day, and so the hierarchy is established." To clarify: While this is not a formal hierarchy it's all that's required, even if an individual can't be honest with themselves, because the group at large knows the truth. Respectfully, Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Full Contact Martial Arts Association "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'...'til you can find a big stick." ------------------------------ From: "botoman" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:48:55 -0800 Subject: eskrima: questions Dear E-D members, I'm new to the area (originally from CO) and I have a couple questions. Just need clarification because I've read alot of books and I've seen alot of posts from time to time. I've also browsed through alot of websites, especially on Serrada. When the late GM Angel Cabales named Vincent as his successor, who was present when the statement was made?? I was just wondering because as I have a passion for Serrada, I'm trying to piece things together in my head myself. There are different "factions" within the art, and I'm just trying to go through the lineage logically. I know not much is written down and most of it is word of mouth. Also, I see that Mike Inay goes under the title of "Suro", as opposed to "Guro". What is the difference? Is it just semantics? I know that in the Ilukano dialect, "Suro" means "teach". Are the Inay's Ilukano? Just a couple of questions that will clarify alot of my own questions. Richard +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: questions > When the late GM Angel Cabales named Vincent as his successor, who was > present when the statement was made?? I was just wondering because as > I have a passion for Serrada, I'm trying to piece things together in > my head myself. It was announced at a party in Saratoga, California. To the best of my knowledge, some of those present were Angel, Vincent, Jimmy Tacosa, Tony Teixeira, I believe Jason and Jena Inay, as well as several others. Guro Jason?? In an email I received from Tony Teixeria 2+ years ago, he went on to write: "Two weeks before Angel passed away, my wife and I had visited Angel and he had asked me to make sure that the System would be recognized as Vincent Cabales succeeding the Cabales Serrada Escrima. I gave my word to him that I would respect his wishes and to this day I still am and will respect his request that Vincent Cabales is the Grand Master of the Cabales Serrada Escrima." > Also, I see that Mike Inay goes under the title of "Suro", as opposed > to "Guro". Suro is short for Mangisusuro. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: abass@iname.com Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:48:54 -0400 Subject: eskrima: FMA technique links I've a compilation of links to FMA techniques found on the WWW at: http://www.geocities.com/athens/pantheon/5640 currently: 24 video 15 animated gif 13 pictures/diagrams 13 textual Pending permission from Bakbakan International I'll soon have a WinHelp version of their HTML 'Swish of the Kris' book available there as well. Please let me know what you think of the resource and especially how it could be bettered. ashley bass - --------------------------------------------------- All the busy little creatures Chasing out their destinies Living in their pools They soon forget about the sea... - ----------------------------------N.P.------------- ------------------------------ From: "Vincent Bollozos" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:17:12 PDT Subject: eskrima: rattan snapping in half i always thought that rattan didn't snap in half. however, last night when i was sparring with a lameco padded stick it bent in a 90 degree angle. when i opened it the rattan was snapped in half. has this happened to anyone else. vince ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jason Inay" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:50:30 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #335 J K Curtis >What vocab you use is irrelevant. - - -I'm not so sure about that one. Personally, I have pretty thick skin. But, some people can be deeply offended by inappropiate vocabulary. Imagine if someone started drawing from the bible for their rank structure, and started using the title of "God" in place of Grandmaster, "Jesus" as the #2 man, etc...... Just imagine the furor if "God" got an audience with the Pope. ...Disciples might be cool though :') - ---- God, and all other religous titles are only meaningful if you either subscribe to or hate the religion mentioned. Again, still subjective. - ---- - - -Or how about calling the head of system "The Baddest MFer", and then you could have "mean MFers", "rotten SOBs", etc.... - ---- No less valid, though some may find vulgar. Again, still subjective. - ---- >For example if propaganda has such a bad stigma when used, why is that not in the dictionary. ( check it out) prop-a-gan-da (n.) 1. information or ideas methodically spread to promote or injure a cause, group, nation, etc. 2. the deliberate spreading of such information or ideas. (THE RANDOM HOUSE DICTIONARY) - ---- Definition 1 " promote or injure"= neutral use of word. Which I belive that it does not mean it is "bad" though the word still has a negative stigma in our society. - ---- All said and done, my statement still stands. - ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:51:50 -0700 Subject: eskrima: picky, picky A Howl etc: Jason wrote: > In regards to the titles, ranks, certificates,just a word or two. > > Ranking and other means to show proficiency is just for political reasons. > Martial Arts being predominately male, and typical male behavior is to > establish a pecking order, titles are necessary. What vocab you use is > irrelevant. Sometimes I will query someone on the validity of there chosen > ranking system, but that is just to see there reasoning. The basic point, that males are hierarchical, is quite sound. I would quibble with the assertion that titles are necessary and proffer BJJ as an example of an art where most simply go by their first name. Woof, Crafty - ---- " ....most simply..."? emphasis on most. However, point taken and in some ways I agree. I believe that we all hate the politics of our chosen path in martial arts. But, if you have three people in the room, you have POLITICS. It is just part of it. From: "Ernie Aragon, Jr." Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:18:14 -0700 Subject: eskrima: thoughts on the datu title Hello, I came out of lurking to ask a few questions. What meaning did GM Presas give to the title datu. Did he equate it with mastership? grandmastership? leadership in an organization? I also would like to inquire if he himself passed through the title datu as he went up the ranks. If not, doesn't this make you think why he would give such a title to others while he did not attain or assume the title himself. If he did attain this rank before, then my questions are mote/useless. But if he did not use this, would you think that it might be that the Filipino community that he is in would ridicule him for using such a title. Just some thoughts and no disrespect intended. Ernie Aragon Jr. - ---- I am not sure, but, I believe the title was meant to signify the leadership role that the titled people play in their area. I know Dieter, he trained with us for a while, and he seems to play in instrumental role in Germany. I am not being picky, I just like to run off at the mouth or keyboard rather. Titles realy are not as important in regards to ability, they just help us spread our chosen art. No ship ever went anywhere without a captain, sorry about the title. Have a great weekend!!! In the words of the Immortal Roger Carpenter " Block hard or suck wing!" Guro29 Jason Inay Chance favors only the prepared mind..... Pasteur "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Historical Review of Pennsylvania _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #336 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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