From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #340 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 16 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 340 In this issue: eskrima: Doce Pares International So. Calif. Convention & Tournament eskrima: Datu and Rank R.Presas Arnis eskrima: Dog Brothers Autumnal Equinox Gathering of the Pack eskrima: knife seminar eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "tim hartman" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:11:06 PDT Subject: eskrima: Datu and Rank R.Presas Arnis This whole debate has gone on too long about Datus! This started out with a basic question and has turned into endless dribble! I can only give an answer based on the meaning used in the I.M.A.F. hopefully this will help clear things up so we can go on to more productive discussions. 1.Where the people using the title Datu self appointed or awarded? As far as the 4 Modern Arnis members they where awarded by the Grand Master. 2.Does it have anything to do with rank? No, Ric Jornales(one of my teachers) has no rank in the I.M.A.F. 3.What does in mean? I have had this conversation with Prof. Presas more than once over the last 5 years. This title was for showing strong leadership skill inside the organization and was like being knighted! In July at the Michigan State Modern Arnis summer camp the Prof and myself discussed this topic at great lengths for he had asked me to become his 5th Datu. I had turned it down for 2 reasons. 1.I felt that I could use a little more time to become a little more focus on being a higher profile leader in the IMAF. 2.Pointless arguments with people outside the IMAF about what the title means. If any of the E-Digest members have a problem with these 4 people inside the IMAF using this title don't get upset at them, you should talk to the person who gave the titles out in the first place(Grand Master Remy A. Presas) On a side note I would like to clear up a misunderstanding about the rank structure in the IMAF. The Title of Jr Master is given out at 5th degree(Lakan Lima). This was done at one of the Texas camp when the Prof. promoted Dr Randy Shea(Chairman of the board for the IMAF)to Jr Master and announced that it is given to people who attain 5th Degree in our organization. Further more we do not use the title of expert. Hopefully the answered your questions so we can move forward to new topics! Yours Truly, Punong-Guro Timothy J.Hartman Can-Am Director IMAF E-mail wnyima@hotmail.com School site www.wmarnis.com/school/ Federation site www.wmarnis.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:07:06 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Dog Brothers Autumnal Equinox Gathering of the Pack A HOWL OF GREETING TO ALL: Dog Brothers Inc. Martial Arts hereby cordially invites you to the first day of our second decade of "Real Contact Stickfighting" at our "Autumnal Equinox Dog Brothers Gathering of the Pack" on Saturday, September 18th 1999 at 11:00AM at 4th St. and Ardmore in Hermosa Beach. The MAGIC WORDS: "No judges, no referees, no trophies. One rule only: Be Friends at the end of the day. This means our goal is that no one spends the night in the hospital and that everyone leaves with the IQ with which they came. No suing no one for no reason for nothing no how no way! Protect yourself at all times! Real Contact Stickfighting is Dangerous and only you are responsible for you. All copyright belongs to Dog Brothers Inc. And dear guest, please remember this means NO VIDEO CAMERAS!" Also, please note that the "no suing no one for no reason etc." language applies to those of you in the audience too. If a stick or a fight comes careening your way- get out of the way! As always, you may take photographs for personal, non-commercial use PROVIDED you give us a complete set of the ones you take. Our thanks to the those of you who actually follow through and do this. It is much appreciated! FIGHTERS MUST PRE-REGISTER, even if they have fought before. Go to the website, print the form and FILL OUT THE FORM OR YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO FIGHT. We have too much to do on Gathering day to have to deal with fighters signing up at the last minute as well. Get in touch with us for info by calling (310) 543-7521. All calls will be returned "collect". Remember that you may fight with weapons other than a stick if you can find someone willing to go against you. You and your opponent may agree to a "strike fight" wherein both agree to avoid grappling in order to emphasize striking skills. The knife fighting done as a warm-up will again allow for 2 versus 2 matches. Each Gathering is its own unique beast and this one promises to deliver. As I write this we are promised fighters from Canada, England, and Switzerland as well as from across the United States. Jim McGrath will be on drums once again. And it appears that we will be having our first "catfight"—a woman from Switzerland and one from the US. It appears that the staff is beginning to catch on and that there will be more staff fights. There may be a surprise or three. Top Dog and Salty Dog are reputed to be in fighting trim and I plan to be too. PARKING. People often express surprise at the fact that we get to do what we do in a public place. It has been a very good trick and there is more to it than meets the eye. The Gatherings have gotten fairly large (30-35 fighters and some 3-400 observers is typical) and so we need really ask everyone's cooperation on the subject of parking. Pretty please with a cherry on top! Therefore PLEASE park in the lots on Valley Drive, (which is one street west of Ardmore- cross the Greenbelt at 2nd or 8th Street) either at 4th street or 8th street or in the parking lot on 2d street just west of Pacific Coast Hwy or in the parking structure on the northeast corner of Ardmore and Pier Ave (approximately 12th street) and walk the ¼ mile along Ardmore to 4th street. Be aware that there is a driveway at the end of the gravel area on on the street where the Gathering is held that can easily be blocked and if it is blocked, parking enforcement will get called. Please be sure that your parking does not obstruct any driveways! This is not just a matter some parking tickets. (someone got hit with a $330 ticket for parking in the handicapped space at the Gathering park last time) Local dynamics are such that this can lead to the prevention of future Gatherings at this location and finding another location would be real hard. So please be considerate, arrive early, and park at the alternative locations and walk the last few blocks! SEE MAP on website(dogbrothers.com). As always, you would be wise to arrive with an empty bladder. "HIGHER CONSCIOUSNESS THROUGH HARDER CONTACT!" © Woof, Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny Guiding Force of the Dog Brothers President: Dog Brothers Inc. Martial Arts PS: Please help defray the cost of hosting this event.There will be T-shirts, videos, patches, etc. for sale so please bring money!!! Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Contact Marc for further information... ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:05:33 EDT Subject: eskrima: knife seminar From Animal I know it's short notice, but for you folks who are out west (at least last time I checked Colorado is in the west) I will be holding a street knife defense seminar this sunday in Castle Rock Colorado (between Denver and the Springs) Where: Omega Karate, 1562 #A Park St (five blocks north of McDonalds) I-25 exit 182 (look west, there be Micky Ds) When: Sunday Aug 22nd , 9am-5pm Cost: $40 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #340 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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