From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #345 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 19 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 345 In this issue: eskrima: FMA Equipment eskrima: Defense against a straight thrust eskrima: 2nd DBMA Video eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #344 eskrima: Re: Ya better sit down eskrima: Spanish Knife fighting eskrima: "fencers lunge" eskrima: Re: Fencers Lunge eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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PO Box 9562 Newark DE. 19714 e-mail orders to: datu@erols.com ------------------------------ From: Mike_Worth@cfins.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:00:54 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Defense against a straight thrust From: "Dave Huang" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:18:28 PDT Subject: eskrima: Fencer's lunge Easy question: What are some responses for dealing with a fencer's lunge while knife sparring? We're talking about a straight thrust to the sternum. Dave Hi, Dave!! Well, I personally approach this from a theory perspective...I assume you are both wielding knives (as opposed to an epee vs. knife fight). In that case, the person lunging has taken or occupied centerline (he is thrusting directly from his centerline to your centerline); when that happens, "give" him his centerline. When the thrust comes in, zone out to the 45, and allow his thrust to head towards where you used to be. You've now eliminated the threat briefly, and can counter. However, in the fast speed of a knife fight, you don't always have time to implement that footwork. Another (more pragmatic, IMHO) concept is to "empty out". This can mean a quick step back, or a hunching of the back to get your body away from the maximum extension of the thrust. Now, it may seem like this just prolongs the inevitable, but remember, the key is to cut the weapon as it comes in. By emptying out, you bring the range back out from Medio to Largo; and at Largo range, the target is the hand or forearm, not the body. While emptying out, slice across his hand with your blade, and keep hacking away at that exposed limb. These concepts are not designed so that you're playing defense all the time, they're designed to put you in the right position for a counterattack, or destruction. For the second response, I find that crossstepping directly back can work nicely; it gets you out of range, but generates a *lot* of "potential" springy energy in the legs... you then can launch right back into him, if you so desire. Let me know if you agree, disagree, or have questions. Thanks, all; and happy training!! Mike Worth ------------------------------ From: Mike_Worth@cfins.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:02:20 -0400 Subject: eskrima: 2nd DBMA Video Well done, Guro Crafty!! I'm really excited to check out the next set of videos. Please keep us all informed. There was a lot of good stuff on the first set (In fact, my footwork tape is starting to get worn from watching!!). Best to you and your family, and good luck at the Gathering!! Mike Worth ------------------------------ From: Kurokuwa@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:13:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #344 Ludwig Schwarz wrote: I have lived in Spain (northern Spain) for about 15 Years, in fact, I've been raised there, because my father is spanish. During this years I was quite in contact with the MA-Scene, and I have never ever heard of contemporary "styles" of spanish knife fighting. Hi Ludwig, Let me preface my response here on the ED by saying I do not plan to entertain questions regarding Sevillian Steel on an FMA forum. I may be contacted personally at my above address with serious and civil queries, such as Ludwig's. However, to answer Ludwig, what you say is very familiar and I have heard of greater criticism to news of my book in other quarters from those who in their travels have not encountered the navaja arts. The explanation of how I found an escuela de armas blancas is detailed in the eary part of the book. (I don't say this to induce you to buy it, only to avoid cramming a few chapters' worth on info into this post.) You are absolutely correct in saying that there are numerous "knife tricks" to be seen and learned on the streets, and such tricks would form a book in themselves. My choice of the word "style" was a poor one because martial artists asociate it with a formalized discipline. (I considered "method," but it sounded too scientific.) But the fact remains that throughout Andalucia there are places where skills beyond tricks are practiced more systematically, although not as formalized as the FMA. In the Triana district of modern Sevilla there are many individuals of Romani heritage who keep their methods alive. The Santa Cruz district , where I visit annually, is another. Sevilla was once a mecca for the navajeros to the extent that "fighting" navajas are known throughout Spain as "sevillanas." Lastly, understand that Sevillian Steel in NOT the name of any particular style, but the translation of Acero Sevillano, which is an INFORMAL term sometimes encountered throughout Andalucia to refer to "knife play" in general. Other terms are simply "la navaja," as in "El juega a la navaja," (or, He is a navaja player.) Hope that helps. - -- James ------------------------------ From: "billlowery" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:54:39 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Ya better sit down Crafty wrote- >the first video of the second DB video series, Dog Brothers Martial Arts, has been shot< Bill writes- I don't believe you... ------------------------------ From: Sean_3_Maguire@sbphrd.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:32:08 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Spanish Knife fighting FYI There is a thread on bladeforums at http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003990.html that has some stuff about Spanish knife fighting and the upcoming book. Look about haflway down the thread. Warning- it does get a bit on the flame side of things. Sean From: Ludwig Schwarz Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:13:24 +0200 (MEST) Subject: eskrima: Spanish Knife Fighting > My book, Sevillian Steel: The Traditional Knife Fighting Arts of Spain, is > slated for release in September from Paladin Press. I have arranged for Mr. > Terry to receive an advanced copy for review. Excerpts from it will also > appear in a number MA and edged weapons publications. > > - - James Loriega Hi James, I absolutely in no way want to question your authority on this matter, but could you please tell me from what sources did you draw your knowledge on this matter? Is it historical knife-fighting? I have lived in Spain (northern Spain) for about 15 Years, in fact, I've been raised there, because my father is spanish. During this years I was quite in contact with the MA-Scene, and I have never ever heard of contemporary "styles" of spanish knife fighting. Of course, there were a lot of "tricks" that you learned on the street, and I even would agree with you in that a knife-fighter raised in Spain has a different way of moving than a knife-fighter from Los Angeles, but is that a "Style"? I have never seen an evidence of formal teaching in knife fighting in Spain, apart from the local FMA-Groups. At least not in this century. In older novels from or about Spain you find references to different styles of knife fighting. Most of them were based on the region of origin, not on the social status of the practitioners. E.G. in the novel "Carmen" from Prosper Merimee (on which the famous Opera "Carmen" is based) you can find a good description of a short and lethal knife fight between one Practitioner of the Basque Style and one of the Andalusian style... Greetings Ludwig From Germany ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: "fencers lunge" Subject: eskrima: Fencer's lunge Easy question: What are some responses for dealing with a fencer's lunge while knife sparring? We're talking about a straight thrust to the sternum. How 'bout step off to the right at a 45 degree angle, destroy the limb (hand) with the left hand (weapon?) and a simultaneous eye jab follow up w/ a left palm heel and a right 'shuto' to the collarbone... or even angle off as before destroying the weapon hand, step around behind, and subclavian knife thrust or weaponless spinal dislocation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Jonas Dyhrfjeld-Johnsen Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:12:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Fencers Lunge Dave asked: > Easy question: What are some responses for dealing with a fencer's lunge > while knife sparring? We're talking about a straight thrust to the sternum. OFFLINE !!!! Anything which starts with you getting out of the way ..:) Cheers, Jonas - ------------------------------------------------------- Jonas Dyhrfjeld - Johnsen (Ms.sc. Biophysics & Bs.sc. Physics) ** What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger ! ** e-mail: WWW: - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #345 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.